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#1 greymack

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:03 AM

 I'v noticed a trend going on that people call kit bashing.I just call it heavy mods since its great to build something different or rare and /or not ever made as a model kit. Now your response?



#2 wisdonm

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:10 AM

When you take a part from one kit and add it to another kit, it is referred to as kit bashing. Ie. adding the fins from a Cadillac kit onto a Ford Torino kit. If you make the parts yourself, it is called scratch building. Ie. you take styrene sheet stock and make fins for your Torino.


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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:22 AM

This is a kitbash...

 

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I used the JoHan Heavenly Hearse, the interior parts, and custom body parts from a JoHan '66 Cadillac convertable kit, the steering wheel from the Elvira '58 Thunderbird kit, added the tubs, tires, and rear suspension from the Revell '67 Chevelle Pro Street, the wheels and front tires from the Revell '55 Pro Sportsman.


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#4 Dave Van

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:24 AM

Half way between box stock and scratchbuilding.....I define it as parts swapping with heavy mods possible.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:50 AM

Well, one or two parts from one kit used on another does not really justify calling it kitbashed. I see kitbashing as when you combine major assemblies from one or more kits into the main build, such as Marshall's hearse, above.

 

Another example would be vastly improving an AMT '69 Chevelle kit by using the entire much much higher quality chassis from an AMT '69 Cutlass, and finishing it off with a big block from a Revell '69 Corvette.

 

Generally speaking, it comes down to this - improving the kit you want to build by swapping out inferior kit parts with superior kit parts (generally speaking, full assemblies). All kits not being created equal, it's often necessary to take the best of several to get the level of quality we want to start with.

 

More advanced kitbashing gets into pilfering one or two specific parts from a multitude of kits, but this is generally avoided by more highly experienced modelers because they've done it enough times to realize how expensive it is, and that they can simply make the parts themselves using 1:1 reference and not only spare a kit, but end up with a better part anyway.  

 

Kit manufacturers do it, but only to a relatively small extent. They could stand to do it a LOT more often with some of the older kits, and they'd find themselves getting standing ovations. Unfortunately, foresight was a quality typically absent during the design stages of kits back then, and because of how the dies are set up it would not often be viable from a manufacturing standpoint.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:52 AM

A recent trend?  I've seen the term "kitbashing" in model car mags from the 60's...  I might be wrong, but isn't it used in AMT's old Trophy Series and Styline instruction sheets as well?     

 

I use it for things that are just simple parts swaps, not even what I'd consider heavy modifications, e.g. "My ____ was built box-stock, except for kitbashed wheels and tires from so-and-so's _____"  



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:11 AM

Yep, Brett...I'd meant to hit on that one, too. Kitbashing is as old as Testor's Tube Glue...nothing new about it at all.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:14 AM

I first encountered the term in the late '50s, in model railroading if I'm not mistaken.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:18 AM

 

Kit manufacturers do it, but only to a relatively small extent. They could stand to do it a LOT more often with some of the older kits, and they'd find themselves getting standing ovations. Unfortunately, foresight was a quality typically absent during the design stages of kits back then, and because of how the dies are set up it would not often be viable from a manufacturing standpoint.

If Revell would take what's become of the Lil' T and throw in the wheels and tires from the Lil' Coffin, they'd get a standing O from me... 

 

A perfect example of a missed kit-bashing opportunity on the manufacturing level is they way Lindberg laid out the parts for their 64 Super Stock Dodges vs the 64 Belvedere.  It's easy for a modeler to kitbash the two to make a replica of Al Eckstrand's LAWMAN Super Stock Plymouth, but it would take almost every sprue from the Dodge kit and almost every sprue from the Plymouth kit to do it in a kit version.  Had they laid the sprues out with a little more foresight it would be an easier kit to box.  I hope Round 2 follows through with Lindberg's plans of doing this one, I've always wanted to do it and Fred Cady's decals were the wrong colors*

 

*side note - has anyone else ever done corrected '64 LAWMAN decals?  Rumors were that the LAWMAN decal artwork was already drawn and ready to go before Lindberg went through whatever it was that Lindberg went through...    



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:47 AM

I think George is right. It's high time we came into the modern world, what with computers and all.

 

"heavy mods since its great to build something different or rare and /or not ever made as a model kit"

would make it easier for all of us to understand.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:02 AM

KITBASHING is defiantly more than a few parts added to a kit from another. Usually I would call that PARTS BOX building.

For me KITBASHING is combining  components from two or more kits to create  something uniquely custom.

Or something unavailable from a manufacturer. But you can call it what ever you like, just build it!

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:02 AM

and the argument begins.....................................................................................................................



#13 Jantrix

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:06 AM

Yeah, lets not get in another terminolgy war. I define kitashing as building a model using major assemblies taken from different kits. Some clubs even hand out awards from it.

 

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:26 AM

I like Rob's answer. It is what it is. :lol:



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:35 AM

This should qualify as a Kitbash.

AMT Modern Tool 58 Edsel Pacer and Rev 57 Ford Ranchero;

 

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 05:36 AM

I don't think I'd call it a trend...I've heard this term and seen it in the mags and online for at least 20 years...



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:01 AM

I'm confused.  Where is the bashing taking place?

 

The dictionary says bashing means: 1. To strike with a heavy, crushing blow.  2. To beat or assault severely.

 

Are you bashing the kit by removing parts from it?  Thus making it an incomplete kit.

Or are you bashing the design of the the one or two kits that you are using?

Or are you bashing the model your building by making extreme changes to it?

 

If I take the wheels from one kit and combine them with all of the parts from another kit am I bashing?  If not, why not?

How many parts must I remove from one kit to be bashing?

 

 

 



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:07 AM

Are you bashing the kit by removing parts from it?  Thus making it an incomplete kit.

Or are you bashing the design of the the one or two kits that you are using?

Or are you bashing the model your building by making extreme changes to it?

 

If I take the wheels from one kit and combine them with all of the parts from another kit am I bashing? . 

 

Yes.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:13 AM

And another type of kit bashing can be seen in the Kit Reviews section of this forum........



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

The word "Kitbashing" has been used for years to describe taking various parts from various kits and combining those parts to create a model that doesn't exist as a kit. Simple as that. "Heavy mods" or any mods at all aren't necessary for a model to be a result of "kitbashing."

 

Example: you could take the engine from one kit, seats from another, wheels and tires from another, and a body and interior from another... they could all fit together without any mods necessary. Kitbashed.