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#61 futurattraction

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:31 AM

Are you going to be at the show next month?  Lord willing, I am planning to be there as a vendor.  Hopefully we can meet each other...



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:04 AM

The slammers heartland show?

I am planning to be there.

I'll be sure to stop by your booth & introduce myself.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:09 AM

Yup, that's the one... :)



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:00 PM

So here's what's fixin to happen.

I've got a shape.

I've got a piece of flat sheet  metal that I want to conform to that shape.

 

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To accomplish this the metal will have to be either stretched or shrank.

Folds in the paper represent where the shrinks will need to be, in order to accomplish the final shape.

Rather than just a few pleats in the paper, the metal will recieve a series of smaller shrinks all along the edge of the fender.

 

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On this side, you'll notice that the folds go very deep into the paper.

The metal shapers who's work I've studied, all buid a panel of this nature in two pieces.

By doing this, a series of smaller shrinks will be pulled to the seam line where the two will be welded together.

An easier, more controllable way to work the panel.

 

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:22 PM

looks like you are making some great progress Ray, can't wait to see how it turns out!



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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:17 PM

awsome !! just awsome



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Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:06 AM

looks like you are making some great progress Ray, can't wait to see how it turns out!

 

Little bit at a time.

Still a lot of research going on...constructing good pictures in my head, so I can "see" what to do on the bench.

 

awsome !! just awsome

 

Thanks, Richard.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 04:55 AM

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Started out looking for a 3 window, but I've got a roadster & roadsters are cool, so that's what I'm going with.

 

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

Laying out the grid for cross templates & inner fender edge profile.

 

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What a great design!

The pure elegance of simplicity.

Gonna be tricky carving all of this in to the maple, crisply, accurately & with proper perspective & relief.

 

A worthy challenge!

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:46 AM

I jigged the body so the tops of both 1/4 panels are square with the template material & then transferred the centerline, which is the high point of the body, down.

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

wow!!

 

wonderful work!

cheers

bryan



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:08 AM

Thanks, Bryan.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 03:51 AM

I've been thinking about the feature lines on this body.

They are only .030" or so tall.

My thoughts have been to use .016" for body skins, & I'm wondering how crisply this will form around such small dimensioned feature lines on the buck.

 

If I tig the body together, I could safely solder over previously welded panel join lines without fear of "de-bonding" previous work.

So my thoughts are to perhaps solder aluminum wire to the body skin & final shape the feature lines with dremel & files.

It would certainly shorten the length of time required to do the bucks...not having to carve in such delicate features.

 

Any feedback on this will be appreciated.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 01:22 AM

Ray, why not add the body line feature to the buck after it is initially shaped, it would be a lot easier to add it rather than try and sculpt it in to the buck, you could use brass or even wood, then tack it or screw it on possibly, then work the fastener heads last.

just a thought



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:13 AM

Found this...perfect how-to on shrinking metal old school, without a shop full of powered shaping equip.

 

 



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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:34 PM

Ray, why not add the body line feature to the buck after it is initially shaped, it would be a lot easier to add it rather than try and sculpt it in to the buck, you could use brass or even wood, then tack it or screw it on possibly, then work the fastener heads last.

just a thought

 

 

 

Thanks, Bill.

One of the best things about doing this...figguring out the most effective way to get it done.

Educating myself...trial & error...the scientific method.

It's like...how ya gonna know what to do, unless you know what to do.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:58 PM

Yesterdays results.

You'll notice, that by the 3rd point, the profile is beginning to flatten out across the top, as it transitions down towards the running board.

 

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 12:51 AM

A lot of fabrication going on this page.

Thousands of man hours invested in this build.

 

You'll notice that their bucks are not solid.

this particular shop has every example of state of the art shaping equipment.

They don't use the bucks as forming fixtures, rather only as a template to fit the panel to, as it's formed on the machinery.

A far different approach to shaping, than hand hammering into hollows for shrinking, working over shaping post & hammering directly on the buck.

 

But fascinating to see, none the less.

Some most excellent work happening here!

 

http://www.realsteel...lery=72#gallery


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 03:52 AM

ray, i know of at 2 aluminum '41 willys coupes that were hand formed. one in europe  and one here in the u.s..  i'd bet a quick search would yeild some more aluminum forming articles.



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:26 AM

Thanks, Dave.

Found it.

Number 1 of a series of several vids on this project.

 

Catch you all later, off to work.

Best to you.