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#101 Ognib

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 02:27 AM

Thanks, Curt.

I had missed a couple of threads on the subject, when I searched previously.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:11 AM

Oh man, that's a good looking wheel & just perfect for the vibe I want for this project.

The spokes, as in this one, need to be metal for the best look

 

 

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 02:16 AM

Watched this vid, from the GSL library link posted earlier, on shaping body panels in brass.

Camera work could have been better in that it was somewhat difficult to see exactly what was being done at times, but still informative.

He was forming a deck lid for a 49 ford & was working free hand, without bucks.

Someone asked if he felt it would be easier to shape with bucks & said he felt it would be.

This was encouraging for me, considering the number of hours that I'm investing in the development of the bucks for my project.

 

http://archive.org/d...sByGeorgeLayton

 

 

Some nice metal work here.

 

 

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 12:51 PM

Went to the Heartland Nationals today.

Had a great time.

Good people, great displays, fantastic work in several instances.

 

This is a very dynamic club with obviously great leadership & an involved membership, to successfully produce an event like this.

I'm realy glad to be with them, as I've been warmly welcomed & have already benefited from their collective experiences as I'm laying out the logistics & beginning work on my project.

 

Came home with some 1:8 flathead parts to work off of.  :D

 

Saw a set of wires that looked like the ones pictured above, only in full metal...rims, hubs & spokes.

The guy said they were built by a guy named Chris Garcia.

I was lusting over them big time, but they were not for sale.

Good thing,

Don't think I could have afforded them...saved me a bit o heartbreak there.


Edited by Ognib, 09 June 2013 - 01:47 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 01:03 PM

Check out this guy's progress on his Mk II body buck.

 

 

http://www.scalemoto...mark-ii-41.html



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 02:14 AM

After yesterday, I have a second deuce kit to work with...the yellow kit.

Virgin, factory tape still on the box.

I bought it because it has a flathead in it, for less cost than the flathead resin engine kits alone are selling for & I needed reference material.

 

Last evening, I pulled the engine parts & as I was examining them, it occured to me that I should build this kit alongside my scratch work.

The kit will go together more quickly than the scratch build...I can practice & refine all of my detailing skills on it...I can build all of my metal accessory pieces to fit it...headlight bars, engine headers, door handles, brake lights, etc, etc,

This way, as the aluminum frame & body pieces are finished, there will be all the other trim items needed for completion of the build.

 

Still have the red kit as well.

This will allow me to still have all the individual components in backup if needed for any reason.

 

Happy monday & best to all!


Edited by Ognib, 10 June 2013 - 02:25 AM.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:35 AM

I have instrument grade nitrocelulose lacquer that I use on the guitars.

Wanted to see how it will work on the plastic pieces, as I do the kit as a dress rehearsal along-side the sctatch job.

As it's an aggressive solvent based paint, I thought perhaps it might attack the plastics, but did not, so all is well.

I like the nitro, as it's a very good viscosity for spraying & really lays down flat, leaving the detail of the piece in good shape.

 

My test piece is the chrome transmission case from the kit.

I'm doing this project as if I were doing a 1:1 for myself.

A chrome transmission for a driver car?  I mean, really now...

I used black on all these parts in my 1:1 stuff, through the years, for thermodynamic reasons...It pulls heat out of motors, transmissions etc.

Then I used cad plated bolts & hardware to add a bit of sparkle for a very nice, "business like" look to my builds.

 

Black is a difficult color to photograph & have any detail show up well, but here it is.

 

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 03:47 PM

looks pretty sweet to me Ray!! doesn't look like you could ask for much better



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:34 PM

Curious if you stripped the chrome off the plastic first since you didn't mention it. If you didn't, you may want to try that paint of something that isn't chromed just to be sure that the chrome isn't acting as a barrier between the paint and the plastic to protect it from the solvent in the paint.



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 11:27 PM

looks pretty sweet to me Ray!! doesn't look like you could ask for much better

 

 

Holding a bit too much gloss for my taste.

The stuff I used on my 1:1's was a semi gloss type material that laid down hard & slick looking, but without the shine & just gave everything the "right" look.

I've got a satin sheen clear coat I use on some of my maple necks, going to try that over the black today...or I may just buff em down a bit with an ultra fine scotch brite.

 

 

Curious if you stripped the chrome off the plastic first since you didn't mention it. If you didn't, you may want to try that paint of something that isn't chromed just to be sure that the chrome isn't acting as a barrier between the paint and the plastic to protect it from the solvent in the paint.

 

 

No, I didn't strip them, just a good rubdown with a med scotchbrite.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll do a test on some unplated material.


Edited by Ognib, 10 June 2013 - 11:40 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 01:21 AM

Some card stock for gasket material under the top plate.

Get some bolt heads on it & for a bit more detail.

 

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 02:51 PM

Using my jewlers saw with a .015" blade, I cut along the molded seam of the oil pan & bottom of block.

Motor needs an oil pan gasket to look right.

Still looking for the right stuff to realistically model the different types of gasket materials used on these motors.

Now looking for good visual referances of where the freeze plugs & other such items are located so they may be added as well.

 

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My cuts were accurate enough that the entire shape of the pan flange is retained.

 

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:16 PM

I found this to use as a guide in doing the front of the engine...very good detail.

 

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I much prefer the look of the angle drive ignitions over the "crab" distributor that sets down on the front of the engine.

 

So, I mocked up the front, using a toothpick to simulate the location of the water pump belt & scarfed the magneto off of the pontiac engine in the red kit to see if I can make it fit.

 

I think by adding a shaft out of brass tubing to extend it down behind the belt, to the center of the front cover, I can work it all in.

Plus, I can shim the pump pulleys out with a washer .030" or so for a bit more clearance, if needed.

 

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Due to the location of the front carburetor, the generator has to set off to the side & will have a conflict of space in getting the belt down to the water pump.

I'll move it to the other side of the engine, or could fab the front cover magneto housing to place the ignition on the other side...decisions, decisions...

 

 

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:04 AM

It's mentally refreshing to be doing stuff to the engine, at this time.

Needed a diversion from the hum-drum of fitting templates to body parts.

I like the big scale stuff, it's easier to see & produce the detail in the work.

Cause,...it either looks just like the real thing...or it doesn't look just like the real thing.


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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:51 AM

Went & got a few rattle cans this morning.

Use it on the plastic kit, as the nitro is too expensive when buying tints for making my colors & will be saved for the scratch build.

 

I like this satin black for the driveline components better than the gloss.

 

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Satin finish for the car.

Ivory/beige on the body & burgandy for wheels & some other pieces.

 

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Aluminum to tone down the chrome heads & intake manifold to a more realistic look.

Guardedly optomistic that a spray aluminum will give me what I want here.

 

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:57 AM

I sprayed the side of the rattle can cap as a test run on the aluminum spray & it looks better than I hoped it would.

Actually it looks pretty darn good.

It looks more authentic in person than it does in the pics.

 

Buffed the top half down a bit from the sprayed out gloss with a Mr. Clean magic erasure pad that my wife uses on her porcelean & enameled appliances.

It's just a very fine foam pad.

 

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At a different angle.

 

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:40 AM

Beige & red 32 roadster.

The red on this on is not as dark & has considerably more orange than the burgandy I've chosen, but striking, none the less.

 


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 01:58 AM

Was on this site this morning.

 

http://www.scalehardware.com/



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 07:56 PM

FYI, you can strip that chrome off the plastic by soaking the part in bleach. Doesn't hurt the plastic at all and it works pretty quickly. Check the tips and tricks section. There is a thread on it.



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:18 AM

Thanks, Curt, I'm going to try that on the heads & intake today.