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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:09 AM

So-Are you saying Wikipedia is wrong ?



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:26 AM

 

There is no "correct" chassis for a Ranchero period. The '67 Mustang chassis isn't even close. What works or may work in the real world doesn't always translate to models. Here's a photo of a Mustang chassis under the Ranchero. 

 

Wow Roger! Thanks for pointing that out.  For as many Rancheros as I own I didn't realize the body was that oversized.  I know the nose is way too large for the AMT original Falcons.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:32 AM

To cross reference the origins of the Comet-read the Wiki report of the Ford Falcon

http://en.wikipedia...._(North_America)

 

Read the section called First Generation (1960-1963)

 

I really don't want to start an argument over all of this, maybe it falls under the ill-fated topic that Harry P. started about "Scale Model Inaccuracies" and how some thing gets lost between the real cars and our models?

when I put the AMT '67 Mustang chassis into the '61 Comet I had to cut it and add about an inch of length to get the proper wheel base.

The Mustang in '67 was a larger car than the first generation Comet and you would think it would have to be shortened rather then lengthened.

 

Although in the AMT/SMP days as with the real car world the Falcon and the Comet were both considered a compact while the Fairlane was considered a mid size.

Also remember a few short years earlier the Fairlane was a full size car.

 

I just want to have a healthy discussion about model cars and techniques. (period)



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:39 AM

http://en.wikipedia...._(North_America)



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:41 AM

For some reason the link is not showing up-but you can find it easy enough.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:47 AM

If we're talking about the real world, the Falcon and Comet are the same car underneath, and the first generation Mustang is virtually the same as a Falcon and Comet (depending on the year and engine, a lot of parts interchange). The '62-'63 Meteor is the Mercury equivalent of the mid-size Fairlane.

 

If you're building scale replica, put whatever you think fits and looks best under there.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:44 PM

I guess the reason I mentioned the Comet in a Falcon Ranchero thread is because at one time I studied on taking one of these re-issued Ranchero kits and bashing it with a 1962 Comet front clip

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As I mentioned before, the Comet wagon was a Falcon wagon with a Comet front clip-BUT- in Modelsville the two plastic bodies will not line up. ( I studied on it)

And I thought the Comet front clip should line up to the Ranchero body. Obviously they interchange in real life but not in plastic.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:13 PM

 

Wow Roger! Thanks for pointing that out.  For as many Rancheros as I own I didn't realize the body was that oversized.  I know the nose is way too large for the AMT original Falcons.

 

The Ranchero isn't oversized. It's just longer than a Falcon or Mustang. The best chassis donor I found for a '61 Falcon is the 1/24 '66 Monogram Mustang. The best chassis donor for a '61 Comet is from the Revell '64 Fairlane. It fits like it was made for it. Even the core support fits very well onto the Comet. If a person wanted to spend the money, they could buy the Trumpeter Ranchero and use the chassis and core support from it. It will be the closest to "correct" for the '61 Ranchero.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 08:54 PM

Not sure I want to open that can of worms here, but in my eyes the Trumpeter Falcons & Rancheros are rather - shall I say - lacking, from a mechanical accuracy standpoint.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:57 AM

If I wanted to make a gasser the amt fairlane chassis seems like the best choice

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 02:22 PM

Not sure I want to open that can of worms here, but in my eyes the Trumpeter Falcons & Rancheros are rather - shall I say - lacking, from a mechanical accuracy standpoint.

 My sentiments exactly; the whole reason to not waste money on the trumpeter kit is because you have to throw half the kit away and replace them with parts that are actually accurate. It's cool that the 64 t-bolt chassis is such a good fit but it doesn't necessarily follow that it works in 1:1. Like Steve said, the 62/63 Meteor was actually the sister car to the Fairlane and the Comet and Falcon were for the most part twins up to '65. 

 

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 08:48 PM

 

 

As I mentioned before, the Comet wagon was a Falcon wagon with a Comet front clip-BUT- in Modelsville the two plastic bodies will not line up. ( I studied on it)

And I thought the Comet front clip should line up to the Ranchero body. Obviously they interchange in real life but not in plastic.

 

You sure about that?

 

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My avatar car is in my garage:

 

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Posted 04 March 2014 - 09:02 PM

Beautiful wagon   :wub:

 

 

 

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:23 AM

Mr. Maindrian Pace,

 

You have a very nice Mercury Comet Station Wagon. What year is it ?

Is your car built on the Ford Falcon chassis or the Ford Fairlane chassis ? 

thanks, Larry



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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:55 AM

Beautiful wagon   :wub:

 

 

 

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Thank you Mike. I've owned it for almost 27 years now.

 

Mr. Maindrian Pace,

 

You have a very nice Mercury Comet Station Wagon. What year is it ?

Is your car built on the Ford Falcon chassis or the Ford Fairlane chassis ? 

thanks, Larry

 

Thanks Larry. It's a 1960, first year for the Comet/Falcon. It is based on the Falcon chassis, with the wagons being the same wheelbase as the Falcon wagons and sedans at 109.5". The Comet sedans had a five inch longer wheelbase at 114.5", but their chassis was otherwise the same. My Comet 2dr wagon uses the same 1/4 panels as the Ranchero and Falcon 2dr wagon, which shows just how closely related the cars are.

 

The midsize Fairlane, introduced in 1962, had a chassis with a similar layout, but everything was different and nothing interchanged with the Falcon/Comet.

 

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 01:09 PM

Does anybody know if the Round 2 AMT '60 Ford Ranchero comes with the camper shell?

I believe this was part of the original issue kit.

I haven't been able to get my hands on one of the kits to see if it's in there.

Thanks for your help,

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:29 PM

Nope.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 03:36 PM

Nope it does not... :( ....bummer too.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 04:10 PM

Thank you for your help.

Sam