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#21 cobraman

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:29 PM

Hey Bill ! I've been looking at the photo you posted of the twin engined 4 slicks dragster you posted and thought "What a cool project that would be". 2 Wynns FE dragsters or a couple of Hemi Sphere kits could be a good start. Do you know where I could find more photos on line of this car just in case ? I searched but had no luck. Thanks.



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:20 PM

Hey Bill ! I've been looking at the photo you posted of the twin engined 4 slicks dragster you posted and thought "What a cool project that would be". 2 Wynns FE dragsters or a couple of Hemi Sphere kits could be a good start. Do you know where I could find more photos on line of this car just in case ? I searched but had no luck. Thanks.

 

 

The thing was built by Art Chrisman and Frank Cannon in about '61 as an experimental "Hustler". Here's an interview with Art Crisman (nothing about this wild car though) for background.  http://www.hotrod.co...an/viewall.html

 

 

Here's a link to some other dual engined and dual-slick equipped cars...http://justacarguy.b...-rear-tire.html

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:23 PM

This crazy thing was built by Bill Coburn in about '62...

 

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:31 PM

Follow this link and Neil Leffler himself will tell you everything you need to know about the Coburn-Leffler Messer' competition coupe: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=kn5BPRigLV0



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:44 PM

Thanks guys, Some mighty interesting dragsters here. Does that coupe one use a Isetta or Mesersmitt ( spelling ?)  body ?



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:53 PM

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:22 PM

Perhaps the best known and most succesful dual real wheel car was the Eddie Hill "Double Dragon" from '60. It may not look like it, because it's so elegantly compact, but it actually has a separate driveine for each engine and there are two wheels on each side. Simple drag racer's math: 2 x engines = 2 x POWER, 2 x tires = 2 x TRACTION! It worked, too. The car held numerous National records and was the first gas powered dragster to break 200 mph (202 in '61). He ran the car in competition through '62 when he switched to fuel and built a new single engined race car. Hill continued to run the Double Dragon in match race competition until he retired from drag racing in 1966. After succesfully racing motorcycles he took up top fuel drag boats until 1985 when he reurned to cars and national prominence in Top Fuel drag racing, finally retiring at the end of 1999!

 

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The again there's this one...

 

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:48 PM

chrisman+cannon+hustler+exp+1961+Chrysle

 

Many things have been tried in the quest for increased traction. Never say never to a new or unusual idea. Some actually work.

And that one didn't.
The change in pitch during acceleration unloaded the forward axle resulting in lots of smoke but no traction. The builder said that adding a pivot between the axles (bogey set up like some diesel trucks have) might have worked better.


Edited by Jairus, 19 July 2013 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:53 PM

cool model. but, seriously? there's someone who believe's any of this could possibly work?  someone pass the crack pipe, please.  wow,...........



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

YIKES!!!!! Were you at Woodstock? Which acid did you take...the brown or the blue???? :wacko:  :unsure:  :lol:  :lol:

 

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:44 PM

That one with the engine hanging out the front...........is that Photoshop? What a wild looking rail. Along with all the others. Keep going Ray.



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:56 PM

YIKES!!!!! Were you at Woodstock? Which acid did you take...the brown or the blue???? :wacko:  :unsure:  :lol:  :lol:

 

 

That one with the engine hanging out the front...........is that Photoshop? What a wild looking rail. ...

 

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:53 PM

Bill  - That's the dragster I remembered. Thanks for posting it. My bad. Thought it was a MT idea.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:58 PM

Just saw the see-saw rail - for lack of a better name. That is just wild.

 

Someone used a similar design on the salt. It was called the Rhinoceros. It did not end well. Killed the driver. 

 

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:55 PM

That is the same car, Scott, just without the body. It was built by Noel Black and it was never intended to be a dragster, but that is where they tested it. I think it hit 300+ when it killed  him.


Edited by Daddyfink, 19 July 2013 - 07:56 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:44 AM

Well, for better or worse this thing is done. Will post photos soon.