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Poll: Would you pay for a premium membership (74 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you pay for a premium memebership

  1. Yes (26 votes [35.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.14%

  2. Voted No (29 votes [39.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.19%

  3. Voted None of the above, I dont really care (3 votes [4.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.05%

  4. Voted Monkeys are cool (9 votes [12.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.16%

  5. Whats for dinner ? (7 votes [9.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.46%

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#41 TedsModeling

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:31 AM

I belong to a gaming forum where the members donate what they want, when they want.  There's a sense of 'helping' and 'brotherhood' among them.

We're informed from time to time how the money issue is.  If the coffers start getting low, people are inclined to pitch in again.  This could be every two years or so.  Sort of like watching public TV (no ads) and donating.



#42 mikemodeler

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:04 AM

Gregg mentioned in a post that it was about $3,000 to fix the latest problem with the forum. Considering the frugal nature of most of us when it comes to paying for something we have previously received for free, a nominal charge for being here could go a long way towards helping Gregg with the costs involved.

 

If it comes down to paying for this forum to enjoy it, then we all have to decide if we want to. If there is a decent sized core group of members here who use the forum regularly, then the cost would be small. Like anything else that has a fee, there has to be some benefit to the cost and maybe that can be factored into the cost.



#43 southpier

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:35 AM

What does ads in the mag have to do with ads on the forum? 

 

think about it



#44 plowboy

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 04:03 AM

Umm.. NO. I'm pretty sure the ads that we now have to view at the opening post of every page will more than pay for the expense of the forum and then some. I think an option to make the board ad free would work better than a premium member option. Prediction: MCM forum will be offered ad free for a nominal fee in the near future.



#45 Harry P.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:07 AM

Umm.. NO. I'm pretty sure the ads that we now have to view at the opening post of every page will more than pay for the expense of the forum and then some.

 

How do you know that?



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Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:19 AM

How about we get on with it?   If the Kahuna wants to start charging for a forum without ads, then do it already and stop all the stupid drama.  I haven't seen one post from Gregg about asking or demanding a fee for using the forum.  Until we hear from the man, why don't all keep our opinions to ourselves?



#47 mistermodel

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:34 AM

 

think about it

I have ,still don't know what your point is.



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Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:55 AM

that folks will pay 35$ a year for a mailing which is substantially advertising. that's what magazines are. of the 7 or 8 (yes, here too) of which I subscribe, the Rodder's Journal is the only one which tucks the few ads into one concise space. but there is usually a 'feature article' about one of the advertisers, so it's a wash. and 17 bucks an issue.

 

that folks with a fervid enthusiasm for "the Forum" are reluctant to contribute financially for its continuance. (see poll results - the NOs are gaining on the Yeses)

 

and if that does come to pass, I predict a portion of the Yeses will not make good their vote.

 

that even when asked "please" & "thanks", not one of the 11,000+ members could reach over and count the pages in their copy of MCM that don't have some advertising.

 

that if the Forum was not a direct benefit to the magazine, it would not be here.

 

that's all.


Edited by southpier, 04 August 2013 - 06:58 AM.


#49 midnightprowler

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 07:08 AM

The magazine existed long before the forum. They are separate identities. The mag will be here after the forum shuts down.

Edited by midnightprowler, 04 August 2013 - 07:10 AM.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 07:16 AM

that folks will pay 35$ a year for a mailing which is substantially advertising. that's what magazines are. of the 7 or 8 (yes, here too) of which I subscribe, the Rodder's Journal is the only one which tucks the few ads into one concise space. but there is usually a 'feature article' about one of the advertisers, so it's a wash. and 17 bucks an issue.

 

that folks with a fervid enthusiasm for "the Forum" are reluctant to contribute financially for its continuance. (see poll results - the NOs are gaining on the Yeses)

 

and if that does come to pass, I predict a portion of the Yeses will not make good their vote.

 

that even when asked "please" & "thanks", not one of the 11,000+ members could reach over and count the pages in their copy of MCM that don't have some advertising.

 

that if the Forum was not a direct benefit to the magazine, it would not be here.

 

that's all.

 

You can do things one of four ways:

 

1. Provide the forum for free to everyone except the person (or persons) who actually foot the bill.

 

2. Provide the forum for free to everyone, but solicit contributions (the Public Television method) and hope that the amount contributed covers the actual cost of the forum. It may or it may not.

 

3. Charge a fee to access the forum.

 

4. Provide the forum for free to everyone, but run paid ads to offset the cost.

 

Method 1 is the way it's been done since day one. Isn't it great to get free stuff (as long as somebody else is paying for it?). Method 2 is iffy... relying on voluntary contributions won't guarantee that the cost to provide the forum would be covered. Maybe not even close to being covered. Method 3 is also iffy... how much do you charge per membership? Charge too much and you don't get enough members signing up to cover your costs. Charge too little and again, you don't cover your costs. And with paid memberships, how do you keep members in line? After all, they've paid to be a member... you can bet they would demand to be allowed to say whatever they wanted to say, because hey... they paid to be here. Moderating would be a nightmare.

 

Method 4 seems to me at least to be the best choice.



#51 midnightprowler

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 09:25 AM

I agree.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 11:15 AM

Umm.. NO. I'm pretty sure the ads that we now have to view at the opening post of every page will more than pay for the expense of the forum and then some. I think an option to make the board ad free would work better than a premium member option. Prediction: MCM forum will be offered ad free for a nominal fee in the near future.

My experience with ads like these is they don't pay unless you click on them. And then you only get pennies for it.



#53 Danno

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

My experience with ads like these is they don't pay unless you click on them. And then you only get pennies for it.

 

 

But those pennies add up . . .

 

And, it add up to better than nothing!  I'm sure Gregg will appreciate the help.



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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:01 PM

Yes, the pennies add up, depending on how many people click on the ads.  I don't even see them, as many people don't, so I can't click if I wanted to.  I find the vast majority of the people ignore the ads.  How many times have you watched a YouTube video and chose to end the ad after the initial time period?  That doesn't make money for anyone either.  Maybe we should all go to the ads and then close the page.  Of course, Gregg can't say to do that or he get's sued.

My vote is for donations. 



#55 2000-cvpi

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:14 PM

I voted no. I had a paid membership to another site and it wasn't worth it. I got access to a members only forum, two stickers for my car, and a icon by my screen name that said that I was a member. The problem was no body used the members forum, it was and still is a dead forum, maybe two posts a week if that. It just was not worth it.

Of course the non paying members there were adult enough to understand that ads helped to pay for the forum. So they didn't complain that they had to look at an ad for women shoes. Maybe guys that own old police cars are more mature than some in this hobby, who knows.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:16 PM

Well said Harry .

From what I have been told about the bigger Magazines is that adds pay for it . Our subscription is only extra money for the magazine. That is why you can get bigger Magazines (hot rod,playboy)for a dollar an issue or so. 



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Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:17 PM

There's 63 votes out of over 10000 registered members of this forum. That alone should be enough proof that the ads are a better money making option than members paying or donating.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

From what I have been told about the bigger Magazines is that adds pay for it . Our subscription is only extra money for the magazine. That is why you can get bigger Magazines (hot rod,playboy)for a dollar an issue or so. 

 

And that's why it drives me nuts when somebody comes on the board and does the comparison that Model Cars Magazine should be $10 a year because they get another magazine for that price.  The big magazines have huge circulations and yes, is pretty much paid for by the advertising. And they'll beg you to take that magazine for near free so that they can command the advertising prices by circulation.   

 

My wife subscribed to Oprah Magazine for a year. Then she didn't renew. She got a bunch of renewal pleas and they never stopped sending issues!  The latest piece she got from them offered her the magazine for $5 a year.  We just laughed. She didn't want the magazine.



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 08:24 AM

I would pay if it were necessary to keep the site running, but I think that would turn off many of our members, who would no longer participate on the forum.



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:49 AM

and then, they would form another one.