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#21 Jeremy Jon

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:24 PM

If done with taste &  functionality, then yes!

Pro-touring cars, by their original intent, were to be durable for long drives, then able to race on the track, otherwise they are "show" cars IMO

 

19" wheels = yes, 23" wheels = no

ground clearance 4-5" = yes, ground clearance decapitating ants = no

 

:D


Edited by Jeremy Jon, 21 August 2013 - 06:49 PM.


#22 Craig Irwin

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:29 PM

Nay as I'm still "stuck in the 60's" and a "day two" type of guy.

That's what I'd build for myself.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 08:33 PM

I like them a lot.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:10 PM

I tend to prefer cars as the factory built them.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:19 PM

Each to his own. You like chocolate, I like Peanut Butter... As Harry has said, it can be done RIGHT or it can be a DISASTER. It's pretty simple.
The guys who build the "Show-Queens/Kings" of this genre aren't just building a simple car/pro-tourer. They're building/making art. They're artists. They're showing their designs, their skills, their engineering capabilities etc, the cars they're making/building have to be seen/noted in a different category. These guys are at the TOP of their game, the TOP of the tree, so to speak. Just as the F1 designers/engineers/mechanics etc creativity & ingenuity eventually filters its way down to a car that you or I could go & buy down at the local dealership. These pro-touring guys need to be acknowledged in the same context as their F1 counterparts.
For every Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, Beatles, Elvis etc there are thousands of 1 hit wonders ... Spawned by these artists... Just as there are local car guys imitating the big ticket car guys... They won't be nearly as good or have the same quality etc but it would be boring if we ALL liked Elvis or The Beatles or The Stones & nothing else, right??
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Posted 22 August 2013 - 12:01 AM

I do enjoy the genre as long as the body is fairly stock. Also cool those cars who are pushed on the track,not just a garage queen with to big wheels.

 

Like this.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 02:17 AM

Nay. Go pro STREET!

I agree 100%.... in a way, I own a pro street car, had it since the early 80's. still gets looks, really tired of hearing that pro street is dead, in this day and age, nothing is dead, everyone is building everything and the true car buff can appreciate them all, may not like them all, but understands the work involved and the imagination put into these cars.. I do like pro touring, will never own one. to me, they are just what was stated, all modern equipment in old style muscle wrappings. as far as factory stock, I feel the only reason to keep something factory stock is monetary value.

 

these are ones that confuse me.... the pro street guys will not adopt these cars and as far as I know, the G-machine guys don't claim them either. I say it's closer to pro street than pro touring. ever try to corner with a 21" rear tire...... yea, can't be done.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 04:23 AM

If done with taste &  functionality, then yes!
Pro-touring cars, by their original intent, were to be durable for long drives, then able to race on the track, otherwise they are "show" cars IMO
 
19" wheels = yes, 23" wheels = no
ground clearance 4-5" = yes, ground clearance decapitating ants = no
 
:D


I agree, 23 inch rims were never meant to be on any pro-touring car.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:20 AM

I know, you're all sitting there hitting refresh wondering what I think!  :lol:

 

While it's not my cup of tea, I can understand the genre.  Think about street rods. Cars of the 1930s weren't made for the roads of today, so people have created specialty chassis and drivetrains that bring that drivability up to an acceptable level.  I think this new ProTouring genre is pretty much the same thing.  Think about how comfortable and smooth current cars are today, next to the way 1960s cars drive.  I know that even my 1999 Plymouth Breeze is a better driver than any of the 1960s and 1970s cars I've owned. It's comfortable, drives smoother and takes turns better. It's quieter, has air and power accessories. Most important it's bullet proof reliable at 140,000 miles.  Thinking back, my '65 Barracuda or '66 Valiant ran on 13" tires, had inadequate brakes, handling left a lot to be desired, road noise was loud especially at higher speeds.  And when you got it up to 80 or higher, the whole car vibrated. It just wasn't made to do that.   So, same as street rods, it makes a lot of sense to update these cars to current standards to have a unique ride that drives to today's standards.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:00 AM

it's really simple for me..
most classic cars look awesome especially muscle and late 50's..but most of them while sometimes having plenty horsepower don't handle steer or brake at all
most modern cars look plain ugly or all the same...but most of them are a great drive ..
combining these 2 worlds ,if done tastefully ,is a great opportunity to create a really nice machine
i've always more or less did this with my own 1/1 cars ..starting with an 69 Opel Kadett with a modern 2,0 litres feul injected engine and newer chassis and drivetrain..
next up a VW Golf (rabbit) MK1 with a 200hp g60 engine and huge brakes and modern suspension..and now a BMW e30 3 series with a modern 24v engine and modern suspension..
people always think i drive a nice old(er)car..and that it still drives like one with all it's shortcomings...but that not the case ...not by a long shot..
that why i also like a '69 Camaro with a 572 crate motor and powersteering /aircon etc...
it may look '69 but drives and handles '09...

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:27 AM

In the 1:1 world, there seems to be a fine line between Pro Touring with a mild street rod look, and a "resto mod" with a stock appearance but upgraded mechanicals and technology, which I would prefer so I could enjoy driving it more.

In the scale model world, I'd rather stick with factory stock.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:32 AM

YES and Mark Nellis does them justice in 1/25th scale



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:55 AM

These ain't my style . Maybe for the Slacker/ skateboard  crowd



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:47 AM

I know, you're all sitting there hitting refresh wondering what I think!  :lol:

 

While it's not my cup of tea, I can understand the genre.  Think about street rods. Cars of the 1930s weren't made for the roads of today, so people have created specialty chassis and drivetrains that bring that drivability up to an acceptable level.  I think this new ProTouring genre is pretty much the same thing.  Think about how comfortable and smooth current cars are today, next to the way 1960s cars drive.  I know that even my 1999 Plymouth Breeze is a better driver than any of the 1960s and 1970s cars I've owned. It's comfortable, drives smoother and takes turns better. It's quieter, has air and power accessories. Most important it's bullet proof reliable at 140,000 miles.  Thinking back, my '65 Barracuda or '66 Valiant ran on 13" tires, had inadequate brakes, handling left a lot to be desired, road noise was loud especially at higher speeds.  And when you got it up to 80 or higher, the whole car vibrated. It just wasn't made to do that.   So, same as street rods, it makes a lot of sense to update these cars to current standards to have a unique ride that drives to today's standards.

this is what makes 1:1 cars and model cars so great, love this stuff. I think it is truly an individual thing. let me talk you thru a cruise night in my pro street road runner, first off, I have to sling my butt over between the cage and the steering wheel into the Jaz fiberglass seats (at 53 and 230, that's getting harder to do), carbs are always hard to start, prey I don't have climb back over the cage to undo the 8 or so deuz fasteners holding the hood down to adjust something. fire it up, let it warm up, no power steering, brakes, window, heck, not even a radio! idle down my dirt road with the windows down cause its starting to get hot. it has an aluminum firewall that conducts heat from the engine real well, turn onto the main street with the rear end wobbling around because of the big' ol tires. get into a straightaway and hit 1/4 throttle just to get a thrill and make some noise.  get to the local hot spot, hope she is running cool....... out, in, do it all over for the ride home. good thing I live on a street with only a few houses cause I sure will wake everyone up. get it in the garage and shut her down for the night, sweaty, kind of tired, I look at the car, smile and think that I wouldn't give that up for no air conditioned, smooth riding, tunes playing cornering machine if you paid me!! 

 

sorry to ramble but it's just way too much fun!! I guess what I am saying is keep your pro touring, give me pro street!!

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:30 AM

this is what makes 1:1 cars and model cars so great, love this stuff. I think it is truly an individual thing. let me talk you thru a cruise night in my pro street road runner, first off, I have to sling my butt over between the cage and the steering wheel into the Jaz fiberglass seats (at 53 and 230, that's getting harder to do), carbs are always hard to start, prey I don't have climb back over the cage to undo the 8 or so deuz fasteners holding the hood down to adjust something. fire it up, let it warm up, no power steering, brakes, window, heck, not even a radio! idle down my dirt road with the windows down cause its starting to get hot. it has an aluminum firewall that conducts heat from the engine real well, turn onto the main street with the rear end wobbling around because of the big' ol tires. get into a straightaway and hit 1/4 throttle just to get a thrill and make some noise.  get to the local hot spot, hope she is running cool....... out, in, do it all over for the ride home. good thing I live on a street with only a few houses cause I sure will wake everyone up. get it in the garage and shut her down for the night, sweaty, kind of tired, I look at the car, smile and think that I wouldn't give that up for no air conditioned, smooth riding, tunes playing cornering machine if you paid me!! 

 

sorry to ramble but it's just way too much fun!! I guess what I am saying is keep your pro touring, give me pro street!!

 

That's a really nice car, but aren't those curb feelers supposed to be sticking out the side and not the back? ;)

 

This whole movement of messing with vintage muscle cars to make them nice and street friendly bothers me. I'm itching to hit the 1/4 mile with a stocker and every 68 to 70 Mustang I find with a running 351 has been reworked or updated in some way that would move it into either Super Stock or Super Street and I'm too old to play with those guys.

 

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:56 AM

To keep our love of the past, where there was style and beauty, and mix it with performance, comfort and safety. What's not to love. I am sorry but I am not a fan of how a car looks today, but one cannot deny that a family sedan or mini van can outperform the muscle of the past, and be every day reliable at 25 miles per gallon. It is great to look forward, but one should always keep an eye in the rear view mirror, to know where you have been.



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 11:53 AM

No thanks.....



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Posted 22 August 2013 - 12:24 PM

I understand how much work that goes into putting modern engines in and updating all the suspension but imo they don't look good. For example my dad updated his 70 El Camino ss 396 with with disc breaks and aftermarket swaybars and the stopping power and handling is 100X better. As for me I love how loud my vega is, all the road noise with no carpet and the rattle of the b&m pro stick cover as well as I love wicked acceleration in a 2300 pound car with 750 horsepower and 4.56 gears on 26 and a half inch BFG drag radials.So what about the not so great handling, it makes for a fun drive.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 01:19 PM

I say Yay for the simple reason that Pro Touring/Pro-Street cars, as Jordan stated, takes classic 60ties-70ties American muscle cars and updates them with the most current automotive technology i.e. drivetrain, suspension,wheels/tires etc. It makes them safer, more comfortable, faster and certainly better handling. This genre of vehicle gives vintage American muscle cars a second lease on life with  a younger generation. True, I dont like every Pro-Touring car I see but, if the Pro Touring genre keeps one more American classic out of the salvage yard and on the streets I`m all for it.

 

In the words of Barry Meguiar who host The Speed Channels T.V. show Car Crazy..."DON`T` CRUSH `EM...RESTORE `EM!!!"


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 01:21 PM

YES!!! B) 

 

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