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#121 hjracing

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 11:33 AM

Anybody remember a black moldings edition '79 F-250/350 trucks?



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 04:36 AM

Bronco chrome...

 

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Great tip, Roger. Now I'm looking for an affordable one... good luck with that :unsure:

 

 

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 04:34 PM

what kit can I find chrome valve covers for is kits 460 :blink:



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 06:40 PM

...does anyone have any recommendations for parts to use to turn this into a DRW 4x4 configuration?  I'm thinking of turning this into another flatbed brush truck once I get the Silverados finished and would rather have a DRW configuration over the SRW that it currently has so the boys can carry more water to the fire. 

 Best bet is probably the Dana 70 from the monogram '91 F350 dually for the rear and maybe a leaf spring mounted front Dana from one of the monogram Dodge Ramchargers...

 

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 02:17 AM

Both of those items would be a touch too big (1:24 scale)...



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 12:48 PM

As a wise man once said, 'We're modelers, we can fix that' B)  Dana's are massive at any scale and I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference to most of us. Real picky guys can wait for the dana in one of the new Moebius offerings or pretend a 1/24 D60 from a hemi muscle car is a D70 ...

 

As far as black-out trim, I can only think of the 78/79 free wheeling option

 

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:51 AM



 Best bet is probably the Dana 70 from the monogram '91 F350 dually for the rear and maybe a leaf spring mounted front Dana from one of the monogram Dodge Ramchargers...

 

mike

 

The rear end in the F350 and the F250 kits from Monogram are NOT Dana 70s, but a Ford 10.25 corporate rear end. How do I know this to be sure?? I own a 90 F350 with that rear end and compared it to the kit piece.

 

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Dana 70s were offered in some, and the front drives in 4x4s like mine are Dana 60s, but the rear ends in those kits are definitely the Ford 10.25 unit, NOT Danas.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 09:19 AM

The Dana 70 is used in dodge duallys more I think. And maybe the cab and chassis f450 2wd

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 11:24 AM

The Dana 70 is used in dodge duallys more I think. And maybe the cab and chassis f450 2wd

 

The Dana 70 is also very common in Chevrolet and GMC duallies from the late '60s-early '80s. It also pops up in some single wheel GMC applications and Chevrolet single wheel Camper Specials. IHC also used them, for both front and rear axles (Dodge also used in the front in some years). The Willys FC  with duals also used it, as well as one oddball option on the CJ2/CJ3, which also had dual wheels for rear mounting of heavy equipment, such as a post hole auger.

As far as I know, there isn't one in scale. As highway stated, the one in the Monogram F350 is the 10.25" Ford axle, rather than the Dana 70.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 11:39 AM

The 10.25 can also be converted to single rear wheel as well!

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 04:03 PM

The 10.25 can also be converted to single rear wheel as well!

 

Yeah, because it is found in the 1:1 F250 and F350 SRW models as well as the Monogram F250 and F350 kits.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 05:02 PM

...it's a 10.25 Not a D70....

That'll learn me for assuming without double-checking the box  :rolleyes:

Maybe these Ramcharger parts are a little closer... might have to switch that front pumpkin side for side

 

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'where can I find chrome valve covers for this kits 460'

 

As this model never came with an actual 460, only a 390 through all the variations, you'll have better luck with kits that had FE engines like the Cobras, Fairlanes etc.  

If you're wondering about finding a real 460 for it, you could probably use the 429's from the AMT '69 Galaxie, '71 Thunderbird or Revell '70 Torino as the outward appearance of the 429/460 is pretty close to identical. 

 

 

 

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:38 PM

Dodge didn't --and still doesn't-- mess around when it comes to axle choices for their 4x4 (or even 4x2) pickups !

Dana 60 front with a Dana 80 rear !



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:19 AM

[quote name="highway" post="1141192" timestamp="1395185798"]
Actually Mike, if I remember correctly from owning two Ford cars and a 79 Bronco with the 351M (Bronco and 1976 Mercury Cougar) and the 400 (77 Ford LTD), those engines are in the same engine family as the 390, the FE family and the related FT (Ford Truck) family. 
 
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 As a correction, the 351 "M" was a taller deck Cleveland block by one half inch which when combined with the longer stroke crank made the 400CID engine. The blocks look similar to a Cleveland but are taller. The 351 M and 400 are the same block and share the 460 bell housing bolt pattern. They are in no way related to the FE family. To make a 351 M / 400 for this truck the best best would be the 351C out our the '70 mustang kit with a 2bbl carb to be factory correct as neither production motor left with a 4bbl carb.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

Just to reaffirm BigMerc's comments here...the FE series, Ford "335 Series" (351 Cleveland, 351M, 400) and the Ford "385 Series" (429, Boss 429, and 460) were each separate engine families.

 

The "335" and "385" series engines used a similar design approach, but were still different engines series and did not share parts between them. 

 

The "FE" series is an entirely different design, having been engineered 10 years prior to the "385" and 12 years prior to the "335" engine families and using the different engine design principles common to V8's in the domestic industry at that point in time. 

 

I also agree with Bill that the best way to a 351M or 400 would be to start with the 351 Cleveland in the Revell '70 Mustang Mach 1 first issued in the 2000's.   TIM 

 

PS - also wanted to note here that the Ford SuperDuty engine family, which comprised engine displacements in three sizes including a 534 cubic inch version, was yet another Ford engine family separate and apart from the 3 above.  To my knowledge, the only Ford SuperDuty engine in scale is the outstanding example in the AMT Ford C-600 (really a C800 or 900 due to the engine) Stake, Tractor, and Van kits.  This engine was correctly identified on the box art of some versions of this kit, but also misidentified as a 361 on some others such as the Stake Truck, which was the "displacement" for the Heavy Duty version of the Ford 360 truck motor in the FE engine family.   


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 03:08 AM

Just something I'd like to point out, related to the earlier discussion of a suitable Cleveland engine.

 

I'm using a Scale Modeling by Chris engine in one I'm making into a '78 Custom. The SMBC engine is a fine little piece, but be aware- I had some issues with starter clearance against the 2wd front suspension crossmember. I'd suggest cutting down the starter, try to fit it a bit closer to the block and or move it a bit further back toward the bellhousing, or (if you really don't care about underside detail) leave it off altogether. I cut a notch out of the crossmember to clear it, the trimming isn't visible once the engine is in place and the body is mounted, but it's something to think about.

 

The SMBC kit I used came with a separate C6 trans, but I used the AMT kit trans instead, as there is a locator pin molded to the pan of the kit piece.

 

I haven't tried the Cougar or NASCAR kit engine block in one yet, so I can't say for sure if there'd be any clearance issues with those as well.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 04:41 AM

Just something I'd like to point out, related to the earlier discussion of a suitable Cleveland engine.

 

 

Chuck....just read your comments about the appropriateness (or more accurately, the inappropriateness) of SBC engines in Ford vehicles in your latest "Inspiration Files" in the new issue of MCM (#185) .  Right-on!  

 

Interesting car you featured...it appears to be Michigan-based but i don't recall seeing it at any of the hot rod events I've attended in the area....anyway, enjoyed your feature.  Sure would make a cool model car!  

 

Best regards...TIM 



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:37 AM

 

Chuck....just read your comments about the appropriateness (or more accurately, the inappropriateness) of SBC engines in Ford vehicles in your latest "Inspiration Files" in the new issue of MCM (#185) .  Right-on!  

 

Interesting car you featured...it appears to be Michigan-based but i don't recall seeing it at any of the hot rod events I've attended in the area....anyway, enjoyed your feature.  Sure would make a cool model car!  

 

Best regards...TIM 

 

Thanks, Tim! I feel that the best place for a small block Chevy is in a boat... I hear they make a fine anchor. :D

 

I saw that car at the big show up in St. Ignace in 2012- the piece says "last year", which was correct when I wrote the article back in 2013. Should have just mentioned in the text it was the 2012 show. Live and learn, I suppose!



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:43 AM

.... the dana in one of the new Moebius offerings....

A tad off topic, but about that...

 

Would the Dana be correct for a 2-wheel-drive 1/2 ton Bumpside? Every such '67-72 I've ever seen has a Ford 9". 3/4 and 1 tons are another ballgame, and I know those did have them.



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:00 AM

Yes, the D60's definitely were available with the five lug axles in the F100's, Chuck. I had a '67 F100 with a 352 4spd and D60 that I parted out a few years ago. I sold the diff to a gent restoring a Hurst Scrambler. Needed the extra beef to handle the 401 he was mounting upstream...

 

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Edited by mk11, 14 May 2014 - 06:14 PM.