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#121 1972coronet

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:38 PM

Dodge didn't --and still doesn't-- mess around when it comes to axle choices for their 4x4 (or even 4x2) pickups !

Dana 60 front with a Dana 80 rear !



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:19 AM

[quote name="highway" post="1141192" timestamp="1395185798"]
Actually Mike, if I remember correctly from owning two Ford cars and a 79 Bronco with the 351M (Bronco and 1976 Mercury Cougar) and the 400 (77 Ford LTD), those engines are in the same engine family as the 390, the FE family and the related FT (Ford Truck) family. 
 
http://en.wikipedia..../Ford_FE_engine
 
 As a correction, the 351 "M" was a taller deck Cleveland block by one half inch which when combined with the longer stroke crank made the 400CID engine. The blocks look similar to a Cleveland but are taller. The 351 M and 400 are the same block and share the 460 bell housing bolt pattern. They are in no way related to the FE family. To make a 351 M / 400 for this truck the best best would be the 351C out our the '70 mustang kit with a 2bbl carb to be factory correct as neither production motor left with a 4bbl carb.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:43 AM

Just to reaffirm BigMerc's comments here...the FE series, Ford "335 Series" (351 Cleveland, 351M, 400) and the Ford "385 Series" (429, Boss 429, and 460) were each separate engine families.

 

The "335" and "385" series engines used a similar design approach, but were still different engines series and did not share parts between them. 

 

The "FE" series is an entirely different design, having been engineered 10 years prior to the "385" and 12 years prior to the "335" engine families and using the different engine design principles common to V8's in the domestic industry at that point in time. 

 

I also agree with Bill that the best way to a 351M or 400 would be to start with the 351 Cleveland in the Revell '70 Mustang Mach 1 first issued in the 2000's.   TIM 

 

PS - also wanted to note here that the Ford SuperDuty engine family, which comprised engine displacements in three sizes including a 534 cubic inch version, was yet another Ford engine family separate and apart from the 3 above.  To my knowledge, the only Ford SuperDuty engine in scale is the outstanding example in the AMT Ford C-600 (really a C800 or 900 due to the engine) Stake, Tractor, and Van kits.  This engine was correctly identified on the box art of some versions of this kit, but also misidentified as a 361 on some others such as the Stake Truck, which was the "displacement" for the Heavy Duty version of the Ford 360 truck motor in the FE engine family.   


Edited by tim boyd, 27 March 2014 - 10:53 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 03:08 AM

Just something I'd like to point out, related to the earlier discussion of a suitable Cleveland engine.

 

I'm using a Scale Modeling by Chris engine in one I'm making into a '78 Custom. The SMBC engine is a fine little piece, but be aware- I had some issues with starter clearance against the 2wd front suspension crossmember. I'd suggest cutting down the starter, try to fit it a bit closer to the block and or move it a bit further back toward the bellhousing, or (if you really don't care about underside detail) leave it off altogether. I cut a notch out of the crossmember to clear it, the trimming isn't visible once the engine is in place and the body is mounted, but it's something to think about.

 

The SMBC kit I used came with a separate C6 trans, but I used the AMT kit trans instead, as there is a locator pin molded to the pan of the kit piece.

 

I haven't tried the Cougar or NASCAR kit engine block in one yet, so I can't say for sure if there'd be any clearance issues with those as well.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 04:41 AM

Just something I'd like to point out, related to the earlier discussion of a suitable Cleveland engine.

 

 

Chuck....just read your comments about the appropriateness (or more accurately, the inappropriateness) of SBC engines in Ford vehicles in your latest "Inspiration Files" in the new issue of MCM (#185) .  Right-on!  

 

Interesting car you featured...it appears to be Michigan-based but i don't recall seeing it at any of the hot rod events I've attended in the area....anyway, enjoyed your feature.  Sure would make a cool model car!  

 

Best regards...TIM 



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 05:37 AM

 

Chuck....just read your comments about the appropriateness (or more accurately, the inappropriateness) of SBC engines in Ford vehicles in your latest "Inspiration Files" in the new issue of MCM (#185) .  Right-on!  

 

Interesting car you featured...it appears to be Michigan-based but i don't recall seeing it at any of the hot rod events I've attended in the area....anyway, enjoyed your feature.  Sure would make a cool model car!  

 

Best regards...TIM 

 

Thanks, Tim! I feel that the best place for a small block Chevy is in a boat... I hear they make a fine anchor. :D

 

I saw that car at the big show up in St. Ignace in 2012- the piece says "last year", which was correct when I wrote the article back in 2013. Should have just mentioned in the text it was the 2012 show. Live and learn, I suppose!



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:43 AM

.... the dana in one of the new Moebius offerings....

A tad off topic, but about that...

 

Would the Dana be correct for a 2-wheel-drive 1/2 ton Bumpside? Every such '67-72 I've ever seen has a Ford 9". 3/4 and 1 tons are another ballgame, and I know those did have them.



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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:00 AM

Yes, the D60's definitely were available with the five lug axles in the F100's, Chuck. I had a '67 F100 with a 352 4spd and D60 that I parted out a few years ago. I sold the diff to a gent restoring a Hurst Scrambler. Needed the extra beef to handle the 401 he was mounting upstream...

 

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 01:58 AM

Huh. Guess it must have depended on how the truck was equipped. My grandfather's '68 F-100 had the 390 and 3-speed manual, and it had the 9". The truck is long gone now, but the axle has been underneath a pro street car for about 20 years.



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 03:08 AM

A tad off topic, but about that...

 

Would the Dana be correct for a 2-wheel-drive 1/2 ton Bumpside? Every such '67-72 I've ever seen has a Ford 9". 3/4 and 1 tons are another ballgame, and I know those did have them.

 

I don't think it would be Chuck. I've never seen one under a half ton Ford pickup myself. But,that doesn't mean it never happened though. I would venture to say that the few that do have the Dana were probably ordered that way or swapped in at some point in the truck's life. Regardless, my bump side will have a nine inch rear end under it. A Ford without a nine inch is just "wrong" IMO.



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 03:18 AM

My '64 F100 w/ 292 & 4-speed has the Dana rear under it. Factory installed in San Jose.



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Posted 28 April 2014 - 03:03 PM

Both the D60 and D44 do show up on the original F100 option sheets with the same 3300 lb rating as the 9 inch. I've only seen three myself so I can understand the doubt. Just another option choice like a radio, dash pad delete or a 390. 

 

 

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:46 AM

A thing to watch out for with the reissue-

 

I have three of the new Super Stones reissue, and not a good windshield between the three. One was short shot, and the other two are warped- it's like the top right corner is dented in. It will still fit into the opening, but the wing vents won't quite touch the posts unless you cut them off and install them separately.

 

Just something to be mindful of!



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Posted 11 May 2014 - 04:52 PM

Question-

Think there'd be any interest in a '78 Custom (base model) grille for this thing?

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 06:03 PM

Nice work !

 

 

 

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 09:26 PM

How much of this kit is parts that were in the Star Truk/Boonie Boss versions? Not a truck expert here but would like to know.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:27 AM

Question-
Think there'd be any interest in a '78 Custom (base model) grille for this thing?
1978grille_zpsb74cd1d1.jpg


I think there would be some interest in the 78 custom grille I wouldn't mind having one

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:39 AM

How much of this kit is parts that were in the Star Truk/Boonie Boss versions? Not a truck expert here but would like to know.

 Jake, check out posts 1, 32 and 50 in this thread. All the trucks in this series shared about 95% of the same parts, with various accessories added and subtracted over the run. Thus it has all the chassis and body parts of the Star Truk with the exception of grill, front bumper and chrome mags/accessories. It has the Boonie Boss wheels/tires and all the basic chassis and body parts from it except the grill, unique exhaust, driving lights and roll bar.

 

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:16 AM

Question-

Think there'd be any interest in a '78 Custom (base model) grille for this thing?

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Open up the grille and it will be a sure winner! Nice work!



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:49 PM

I think there would be some interest in the 78 custom grille I wouldn't mind having one

 

Yes. I was planning on doing that conversion someday myself.  Project number 2,034!   Yea, I'll never get to it!