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#1 Speedfreak

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:24 PM

Hey everyone, I've got an old AMT '71 340 Duster kit I started years ago that I'm going to try and finish and have a couple paint/color questions. I'm building it factory stock.

 

The main question concerns the chassis: The instruction sheet shows that the bottom of the chassis should be painted the body color, but didn't Mopars from this era have semi-gloss black chassis' with some overspray of the body color coming over the sides? Or, where they in fact painted the body color? 

 

The interior is going to be white but even with 'white' interior wouldn't the: dash, carpet, console, steering wheel? (and I'm not sure what else) be painted black on a '71 Duster 340?

 

Any and all info will be greatly appreciated.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

The only time that Chrysler used a black primer was at its Los Angeles plant .

I'm not sure that it's exclusive to the L.A. plant ; however , I know that Hamtramck (where most 340 Dusters were built) used a light grey primer .

 

You're correct regarding the overspray .

 

For more info , check out Hamtramck Historical - 1970 Registry . 100% factory publications , 110% worth every minute of perusing it !



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:44 PM

I believe the Mopar unibodies were dunked in a primer tank.  So there would be even primer on the underbody. There's pictures of that process in some brochures.

 

As people go to detail chassis  everyone forgets that there was an optional factory undercoat available.  It was on both of my '66 Valiants, my '65 Barracuda, '73 Barracuda and '73 Scamp so it was not a rare option. Maybe more in rust prone areas. All my cars came from New Jersey. I had a '67 Valiant that didn't have the undercoat, nor did it have much of a floor left!

 

The undercoat was a dark tan dirt color and a strong crinkle pattern. I don't know at what time in the build process it was installed but I remember having to chip it off the bolts on inner fender panels to get them out.



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 06:49 PM

Thanks you guys. I have some light gray primer,and, black primer. I forgot to mention that the instruction sheet also shows the drive shaft painted 'body color', that don't sound right, but I don't really know. Tom, I currently own a '64 Valiant Signet 200 2-dr hrdtp. 



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 07:47 PM

Noticed no one answered your interior question............White/Black Mopar interiors are my favorite........okay I'm just bias to them.

 

To address that question...........a 1971 Duster with Buckets and Console in White would have;

 

Black:

Dash

Upper door sections

Carpet

Steering wheel

Seatbelts

kick panels

Arm rests*

Column

Center console

Sun Visors*

 

 

White:

Seats

Door panels

Arm rests*

headliner'

Sun Visors*

 

*- I've seen Mopars built with white interiors have either colored arm rests & Sun visors, even the same cars (make/model/year/trim)



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 02:06 AM

Thanks Casey! Ya, I really like the white/black Mopar interiors from this era too. And, since I already have the body painted 'Panther Pink' (going to use the black stripes on the sides) it should look good together.

 

Casey, if the 'upper' door section and 'kick panels' are black, would not the 'lower' door section be black as well?  

 

Do you know about the 'drive shaft' color? Seems silly to me that it would have come from the factory 'body color.

 

Thanks for the info!



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:06 AM

If I rember right panther pink was a one year only coloer 1970 and a dodge only coloer.
but their were special order stuff but that was in the vin tag and didn't call out specific coloer's.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 04:41 AM

Thanks Blazz, I painted the body 15yrs ago! LOL! (It's been in the box that long, ya think the paint has gassed out?) Nothing I'm gonna do about that now.


Edited by Speedfreak, 19 November 2013 - 04:44 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:14 AM

if the 'upper' door section and 'kick panels' are black, would not the 'lower' door section be black as well?  

 

The upper and lower door sections, above and below the interior door panel, should be black for a '70 black & white interior:

 

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:59 AM

Thanks Casey.


Edited by Speedfreak, 19 November 2013 - 12:01 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:28 PM

If I rember right panther pink was a one year only coloer 1970 and a dodge only coloer.
but their were special order stuff but that was in the vin tag and didn't call out specific coloer's.

"Panther Pink" was called "Moulin Rouge" at Plymouth.

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:36 AM

Technically upper door frame colors are called out on fender tag.  Most white cars had black upper colors, but not all.  I have seen white on white, there are also weird color variants out there of this as well.  My 70 RT is burnt orange car with burnt orange interior and the upper door color is also burnt orange.  You may see body color on fender tags for some Mopars 3 times, lower body color, upper body color (Could be two tone car with trim for vinyl top used to break colors) and uppder door frame color.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 07:16 AM

If I rember right panther pink was a one year only coloer 1970 and a dodge only coloer.
but their were special order stuff but that was in the vin tag and didn't call out specific coloer's.

 

As Art states, and according to the 1970 Hamtramck Registry library, Plymouth called it 'Moulin Rouge, Dodge called it 'Penta-Magenta. They show it as being availible in the * Spring of 1970. But, from reading the litrature they show for 1971, it seems possible that you could have 'special ordered' the color. Not sure where the 'Panther Pink' name comes from, maybe some sales/advertising campaign around that time.  


Edited by Speedfreak, 22 November 2013 - 07:23 AM.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 05:11 PM

FM3 is called "Moulin Rouge" (Plymouth) and "Panther Pink" (Dodge) .

 

While it was technically a 1970-only colour , there are two 1971 Dodges which were factory-painted in "FM3" ; however , the documented 1971 Charger R/T has a paint code of "147" on its fender tag , as opposed to the de rigure "999" (Special Order Paint) . As to why it was assigned a seemingly arbitrary paint code is anyone's guess ...

 

The other 1971 Dodge which  I personally encountered was , prima fascia , Panther Pink . It was on a 1971 Challenger R/T ( 300hp 383 Magnum , 4 speed , Super Performance Axle Package ( 3.91 / Sure Grip , H.D. Cooling w/ clutch fan and some other specific parts) , W11 Deluxe Wheel Covers , black interior , AM-8 Track 5 speaker stereo , rear defogger , etc.

Its paint code was "999" , which lent some credence to its Panther Pink paint . A subsequent search for the cars build sheet(s) turned up nothing more than a shreaded-remaineder ; and under "comments" , handwritten in grease pencil , was "GB8" (another factory colour , but was limited to C-bodies) 

"999" simply means that a customer ordered a paint which wasn't *available* on that specific car line (i.e. , EA9 Charcoal Ird .on their 1970 Challenger . Since 'EA9' wasn't listed as available for any carline except the Imperial / Monaco / Fury , the Challenger received the Special Order Paint "999" code. ) or was a limited-availability colour ( "Rallye Green" on the 1969 B-bodies , which was shared with Chevrolet's car line (e.g. , 1969 Camaro) ) .



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:45 PM

John, So where does the 'Penta-Magenta' come in?



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 04:47 PM

www.pantherpink.com



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 08:41 PM

Mopar had guys in the pit, that sprayed black paint up into the core support so the light colors on lighter cars would not show through the grille. My cousin did that job back then.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 09:18 PM

John, and Randy, much thanks for the info! Bill, great info on that web site, thanks for the link!  From everything I've read it looks like to me that in 1971 you 'could have' special ordered a 340 Duster in 'Moulin Rouge. Whether or, not that actually happened is no matter. The '71 Moulin Rouge 340 Duster lives!


Edited by Speedfreak, 26 November 2013 - 09:25 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2013 - 03:41 AM

What should I paint the deck wing with? Flat, Matte, or, semi-gloss black? Thanks.



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 05:22 AM

What should I paint the deck wing with? Flat, Matte, or, semi-gloss black? Thanks.

 

Matte would be my choice. Flat have to little gloss, and semi-gloss too much.

 

No idea if this '70 340 is original or a clone, but nobody's gonna check the VIN in 1/25 scale:

 

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IIRC, this is a /6 powered car, but is a verified FM3 car:

 

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