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Posted 07 December 2013 - 09:14 AM

Anybody else seen the Fast 6 DVD ad where they state that some of the sales are going to Walker's charity?

Hey Joe, are You going on the memorial cruise that's planned for between 1-8 P.M.today?


Edited by madhorseman, 07 December 2013 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:57 AM

The release of The Fast & Furious 6 is due on the 10th which is next week and I'm lookin' forward to gettin' it to ad to the rest of the F&F DVD's I already have.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 11:36 AM

Hey Joe, are You going on the memorial cruise that's planned for between 1-8 P.M.today?

I'm closing manager at work tonight and we're open 'till 7 because of the holidays, we'll be lucky to be out by 7:45.

Where is it supposed to be at?

Edited by Joe Handley, 07 December 2013 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 01:56 PM

Not sure exactly, but it was to originate from route 53 to I355 north, to I88 east(to Chicago) to I 290 east to I55 east to LSD south end at 63rd? 67th??

Something to that effect, my son was meeting some of his friends in Bolingbrook, who were participating.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:31 PM

It was too late, one of my friends and co-workers almost did, I'd have tagged along if they had.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 08:41 PM

It was too late, one of my friends and co-workers almost did, I'd have tagged along if they had.

It was mentioned on the late evening news tonight. Somewhere in the area of 1000 or so cars!!


Edited by madhorseman, 08 December 2013 - 05:53 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 09:20 PM

That is a huge turnout!

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:37 PM

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:06 PM

So are they blaming the road for the diver going to fast? 



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:10 PM

Interesting theory as to a contributing factor, but like most "accidents", the primary culprit was operator-error...in this case, traveling at apparently at 90+mph in an area that wasn't safe for such speeds.

 

If you're gonna go fast, please learn from this and go fast in designated, safe, properly prepared and manned racing environments.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:23 PM

Interesting theory as to a contributing factor, but like most "accidents", the primary culprit was operator-error...in this case, traveling at apparently at 90+mph in an area that wasn't safe for such speeds.

 

If you're gonna go fast, please learn from this and go fast in designated, safe, properly prepared and manned racing environments.

Real good point Bill. I cannot understand why they went for a ride during the event..



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:25 PM

I'm still curious if there was some sort of black box on the car.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:17 PM

I'm still curious if there was some sort of black box on the car.

 

There is some sort of black box on all newer cars. You can plug into the computer and pull the last 5-10 minutes of data. Throttle position, brake pedal application percentage, etc. As long as the PSM is not ruined, they can find out exactly what was going on.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:17 AM

 

There is some sort of black box on all newer cars. You can plug into the computer and pull the last 5-10 minutes of data. Throttle position, brake pedal application percentage, etc. As long as the PSM is not ruined, they can find out exactly what was going on.

 

I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that onboard EDRs (electronic data or event recorders) in most recent cars record information for only a few seconds before, during, and after an air-bag deployment event...still sufficient information to analyze a crash, but not minutes of data. Unlike the black boxes on airplanes, which continually record data including audio and system performance, the cars’ recorders capture only the few seconds surrounding a crash or air bag deployment. A separate device extracts the data, which is then analyzed through computer software. http://www.nytimes.c...ivacy.html?_r=0

 

However, some insurers are offering customers a cousin of the EDR, which tracks how a car is driven over a long period, so volunteer participants may qualify for lower rates.

 

Apparently the Carrera GT Walker died in did have an onboard EDR. In a statement to E!, Los Angeles County Sheriff's detective Jeff Maag said he hopes to secure a warrant to read what is on the car's event data recorder.


Edited by Ace-Garageguy, 12 December 2013 - 04:31 AM.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:28 AM

I think that there are now black boxes going into cars, but Bill is right, the airbag systems and maybe the OBD2 systems did act as a rudimentry black box. If I'm right on that, my 16 year old Jeep should have that ability too so long as the broken clock spring, which has disabled the bags, and much more annoyingly, the horn and cruise control, didn't disable that too.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:39 PM

 

I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that onboard EDRs (electronic data or event recorders) in most recent cars record information for only a few seconds before, during, and after an air-bag deployment event...still sufficient information to analyze a crash, but not minutes of data. Unlike the black boxes on airplanes, which continually record data including audio and system performance, the cars’ recorders capture only the few seconds surrounding a crash or air bag deployment. A separate device extracts the data, which is then analyzed through computer software. http://www.nytimes.c...ivacy.html?_r=0

 

However, some insurers are offering customers a cousin of the EDR, which tracks how a car is driven over a long period, so volunteer participants may qualify for lower rates.

 

Apparently the Carrera GT Walker died in did have an onboard EDR. In a statement to E!, Los Angeles County Sheriff's detective Jeff Maag said he hopes to secure a warrant to read what is on the car's event data recorder.

 

 

I exaggerated the amount of time. There is a madated data storage like you mentioned for airbag or other SRS system deployments. When I was with Jaguar, at any given time, we could view the last 10? seconds of of data, not just when there was an airbag deployment. There are aftermarket tuning programs for some manufacturers that let you data log and stuff. There are ways to get the info out of the car.

 

3 seconds is not long enough IMO, that could just show braking application and not reveal the full story. Throttle position, gear position, etc.

 

a friend of mine in high school got caught this way, this was in 2000 I think. His dad bought him an Integra GSR. He blew the motor. Swore up and down it wasn't his fault. Shop pulled the data and showed something like 100% throttle going from 1st to second, but second never engaged. He basically revved out and blew the motor. These things are tremendously helpful is assigning blame or clearing someones name.

 

I really hope they determine that this was just a freak accident and not the result of someone being careless. Although going that fast in an industrial park isn't very intelligent.


Edited by Quick GMC, 12 December 2013 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:01 PM

It would be good to know what data may have been collected...



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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:38 AM

Last update I read was no mechanical issue found that would have contributed to the accident. Police are still holding off on speed report until Porsche engineers have time to examine black boxes.