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#161 midnightprowler

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:38 AM

I still do not understand, seeing this kit is 99% stock, the lack of the flathead. Seems like a no brainer to me. Really the only thing custom about it is the engine, correct?

Edited by midnightprowler, 20 March 2014 - 11:39 AM.


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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:55 AM

A '51 custom coupe could be a good 3rd version, since the '51 is so different from behind..


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Posted 20 March 2014 - 11:56 AM

I still do not understand, seeing this kit is 99% stock, the lack of the flathead. Seems like a no brainer to me. Really the only thing custom about it is the engine, correct?

I assume it was a cost issue..Revell's budget for the wagon kit didn't include tooling up a new engine...



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 02:52 PM

The flat head should be no big deal --- several kits have them ---

 

Yeah it would have been nice to have a stock engine included but then again there are many around --- the 50 Ford pick up being the obvious choice ---

 

too bad they didn't just toss that into the box but oh well ----- I will still buy a second and third of this kit for different builds ---



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 10:14 PM

I assume it was a cost issue..Revell's budget for the wagon kit didn't include tooling up a new engine...

But they tooled up a new Caddy engine. They could have tooled up a flathead and given it hot rod/custom parts. Nice kit either way, and I have a spare 49 Merc flathead for if I ever get this kit, but sometimes I just don't get it, lol. 



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Posted 20 March 2014 - 10:28 PM

But they tooled up a new Caddy engine. They could have tooled up a flathead and given it hot rod/custom parts. Nice kit either way, and I have a spare 49 Merc flathead for if I ever get this kit, but sometimes I just don't get it, lol. 

I assume they reused that Caddy engine tooling from the existing 49 kit. 



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 02:48 AM

I assume they reused that Caddy engine tooling from the existing 49 kit. 

 

Yes the Caddy engine carried over from the earlier kit.  It was said by Revell that NOT tooling up a new engine was the thing that made the project viable from a budget standpoint.  Keep in mind that was for that one project.  Nobody said in the future they won't do a stock convertible and put a stock flatty in it. That would be a new project with a different budget.  

 

It's been said in threads, maybe even in this one, that the 1950 Ford pickup engine / trans is not the correct flathead for this application.  The correct one is in the AMT 49 Merc kit, which they astutely brought out again around the same time...



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 08:53 AM

 

Yes the Caddy engine carried over from the earlier kit.  It was said by Revell that NOT tooling up a new engine was the thing that made the project viable from a budget standpoint.  Keep in mind that was for that one project.  Nobody said in the future they won't do a stock convertible and put a stock flatty in it. That would be a new project with a different budget.  

 

It's been said in threads, maybe even in this one, that the 1950 Ford pickup engine / trans is not the correct flathead for this application.  The correct one is in the AMT 49 Merc kit, which they astutely brought out again around the same time...

Revell's '50 Ford F1 flathead engine is vastly better than the old AMT '49 Mercury unit, as it should be, given the 32 year span between the engineering and tooling of each. The major turnoff for me with the AMT engine is the cylinder heads--way too flat/thin, and for whatever reason, somewhere along the way, AMT decided it would be cool to engrave the plug wires right across the tops of the heads.   However, the transmission on the pickup engine is wrong for a passenger car, while the AMT-49 Merc transmission is actually quite accurately done.  That's easily corrected by cutting the pickup tranny off the bellhousing, and replacing that with the unit cut off the AMT engine (in exactly the same place, of course).  The aircleaner, and possibly the carburetor from the AMT kit are correct for the station wagon.

 

Here are a couple of pics of how I adapted the '50 Pickup flathead to my '49 Merc station wagon frame, and the mods I had to accomplish on the engine:

 

 

 

1949MercuryflatheadV8engine2-vi.jpg

 

Modifications needed to the '50 pickup engine's oil pan and exhaust system:

 

1949MercuryflatheadV8engine1-vi.jpg

 

Engine in chassis, with exhaust system parts laid out:

 

1949Mercuryexhaustsystemparts1-vi.jpg

 

Everything test fitted together:

 

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Edited by Art Anderson, 21 March 2014 - 09:07 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2014 - 09:07 AM

 

I suspect there will be no next version, and this Woody is the end. This kit is already a custom based on the engine, so I don't think they'd try to squeeze another period custom out of the tooling, as it'd be too close to this kit.

 

A stock coupe is out of the question with the Cadillac engine, and I'm not sure I've seen more than a handful of stock coupes built from the AMT kit, so I can understand the decision not to go that route.

 

Shoebox Fords are a different width and wheelbase, so those are out, too. If Revell wasn't wiling to change the engine to a Flathead, I don't see them wanting to change the wheelbase, body, interior, etc.

 

I don't really see any other viable option for this tooling to be honest. I suspect the original custom has done very well, and this recent Woody, too, so maybe that was the plan (and the hope) from the start-- two good selling kits which will be in and out of the lineup for years to come.

Actually, a Mercury convertible would be very cool--given that Ford Motor Company built all their '49-'51 station wagons (the station wagon body shells are exactly the same save for the door skins--due to styling differences) on convertible chassis. Of course, while the frame designs are the same for both makes, the Mercury is something like 4" longer overall and in wheelbase.

 

One can only hope, huh?  :)

 

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 11:53 AM

I'm waiting for someone to build a Mercamino.  Hmm - maybe I'll have to get another kit.



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Posted 22 March 2014 - 12:07 AM

A stock 49 Merc ragtop, now that would be sweet!



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Posted 27 March 2014 - 10:14 PM

Revell's '50 Ford F1 flathead engine is vastly better than the old AMT '49 Mercury unit, as it should be, given the 32 year span between the engineering and tooling of each. The major turnoff for me with the AMT engine is the cylinder heads--way too flat/thin, and for whatever reason, somewhere along the way, AMT decided it would be cool to engrave the plug wires right across the tops of the heads.   However, the transmission on the pickup engine is wrong for a passenger car, while the AMT-49 Merc transmission is actually quite accurately done.  That's easily corrected by cutting the pickup tranny off the bellhousing, and replacing that with the unit cut off the AMT engine (in exactly the same place, of course).  The aircleaner, and possibly the carburetor from the AMT kit are correct for the station wagon.


I believe the water pumps on the passenger car and truck engines are different, too.

The ones in the 48 Ford would be more correct?

Edited by fumi, 27 March 2014 - 10:50 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 05:36 AM

I believe the water pumps on the passenger car and truck engines are different, too.

The ones in the 48 Ford would be more correct?

 

No, it needs to be a '49-'53 8BA engine: http://www.modelcars...83067&p=1073336



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:06 AM

When fitting the kit whitewall tires up on my Revell '49 Mercury wagon, I noticed that there is lettering on them!!!!  Yup, that's right:  FIRESTONE, with the Firestone "F" shield, and almost readable "Gum-Dipped" lettering.

 

So, it does appear that tire lettering is back at Revell.

 

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:46 AM

Great news! Those bald sidewalls just don't ever look right.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 08:29 AM

I noticed that, too, Art.  They look pretty good.  Glad to see it.  Hope this is a harbinger of the future!



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 04:17 PM

Sounds like the same tires from the Cali Wheels issue of their 60 Impala.

 

I have one and they Are Firestones!!!

 

If the next version of this IS a Convert. I prefer a 50!!!

INDY 500 anyone?!!!!


Edited by Edsel-Dan, 14 April 2014 - 04:21 PM.