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#41 Tom Geiger

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:59 AM

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Did anyone else notice the 1/23 American Bantam early WWII Jeep?  That's the original!  Man is that cool or what?



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:09 AM

 

 

Did anyone else notice the 1/23 American Bantam early WWII Jeep?  That's the original!  Man is that cool or what?

It was announced last year and about ready to hit the hobby shops, Brett I'm sure can pinpoint the exact CW


Edited by Luc Janssens, 31 January 2014 - 11:09 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:21 AM

Is the Jeep the Askua in this thread... http://www.modelcars...showtopic=84702



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:49 AM

Is the Jeep the Askua in this thread... http://www.modelcars...showtopic=84702

It sure is, Rob.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 03:56 AM

The Ebbro kit is 1/20, and the Heller one will be 1/24.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:49 AM

Note that the Ebbro is an older version of the R4 than the Heller.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 06:54 AM

The Ebbro kit is 1/20, and the Heller one will be 1/24.

WHAT?

All due respect to you, but this makes no sense in any shape or form.

Please authenticate.

 

If the kits are different scales, then they need their own set of tooling cut - no interchangeable parts and so on. It would kind of beat the purpose of this kind of joint venture in the first place.

 

 

 

I can see from the parts on display that they are combining side window panes with the door upholstery part. I've seen that done in the past, which kit was that again - that was a Heller one, yes?



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 08:28 AM

The Ebbro kit is 1/20, and the Heller one will be 1/24.

 

No it's not, the Ebbro one is in 1:24th scale, only there F1 are in 1:20th, and there's no tie up between Ebbro and Heller, both versions are of a different vintage of the R4, the Heller version is a later model, here's a few test shots of the Ebbro kits 

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 08:48 AM

I asked my boss who is in Nuremberg to check and that's what he told me, he could be wrong or mistyped, he actually had meetings with Ebbro and Heller this morning.    Personally, I'd be surprised if it was actually 1/20.  My first thought was that 1/20 was a typo. 


Edited by Brett Barrow, 01 February 2014 - 08:59 AM.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:06 AM

The box art of Ebbro states 1/24 and the brochure of Heller states 1/24.  1/20 is probably just a typo and my guess would be that they are the same kit, possibly a bit simplified on the Heller.

But it is too much of a coincidende to have 2 Renault R4's at the same time.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:12 AM

Wow. The detail on that is amazing - look at the bumper mounts, jack...and opening doors? Wow.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:15 AM

Wow. The detail on that is amazing - look at the bumper mounts, jack...and opening doors? Wow.

Ebbro don't mess around...   



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:27 AM

We are getting some seriously cool kits.  In this climate, you never know what you'll see next.  Let's go for a Citroen Diane!  And where the heck is my 1/24 scale  Morris Traveler??   The hobby is getting more and more fun!



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:28 AM

The stock number is 25002 and kit # 25001 was the 24th scale Citroen Fourgonnette, so I'd bet this is 24th, too.  Sorry for the confusion, just passing along was what I was told.  



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:47 AM

The stock number is 25002 and kit # 25001 was the 24th scale Citroen Fourgonnette, so I'd bet this is 24th, too.  Sorry for the confusion, just passing along was what I was told.  

 

There was a typo' on one of the labels, showing the scale to be 1/20th, but only there F1 kits are in that scale, the Renault R4 is going to be !/24th, and the mold is not shared with Heller, the Ebbro version is a much earlier R4 than the Heller one.

 

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:20 AM

I think this is a neat little car. A Panhard Dyna would be cool. I love a car that sticks it's tongue out at you like it is saying "I am French...what of it?"



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:24 AM

Alright not being a Renault expert, or even a novice, I have a question...are the mechanicals between the two model years not more or less identical?

 

The collaboration between EBBRO and Tamiya to make the Fourgonnette was a new body shell and random pieces by EBBRO all riding a the mechanicals and chassis from the Tamiya kit.  Is it possible that Heller is tooling up their 4L, and EBBRO is just releasing their "own" kits with the different model year/open roof and apparently a subsequent utility "van" body kit later on, but all of it riding on the basic mechanical/chassis bits from Heller?  That scenario makes a lot more sense since the guy running Heller interned at Tamiya, and the head of EBRRO is a former Tamiya employee.  Maximize your tooling investment by sharing costs and creating at least 3 distinct models kits in the process.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 01:28 PM

To answer the first part; yes and no, Most of the mechanical parts were pretty much the same through it's lifespan, but it changes in details a bit.

But it isn't really 2 'modelyears' you are talking about, but like the french say '2 phases', like every European or Asian cars, every phase runs a few years without hardly any changes, unlike the American cars.

The ebbro is a Phase 2, the Heller represent a phase 3/4.

 

@Geoff, The Ebbro is not a 'much' earlier R4, just a little, it already uses the grille with the incorporated headlights, which can be easily solved with tooling just another grille and some bumpers.

If you take the Phase 1 R4, the front end is different enough for it should be needing an all new hood, grille and headlights.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 01:41 PM

To answer the first part; yes and no, Most of the mechanical parts were pretty much the same through it's lifespan, but it changes in details a bit.

But it isn't really 2 'modelyears' you are talking about, but like the french say '2 phases', like every European or Asian cars, every phase runs a few years without hardly any changes, unlike the American cars.

The ebbro is a Phase 2, the Heller represent a phase 3/4.

 

@Geoff, The Ebbro is not a 'much' earlier R4, just a little, it already uses the grille with the incorporated headlights, which can be easily solved with tooling just another grille and some bumpers.

If you take the Phase 1 R4, the front end is different enough for it should be needing an all new hood, grille and headlights.

 

American cars go through design cycles, rather than phases.  Some models undergo more changes than other in regards to mid-cycle "refreshing", but I appreciate the information.  By "model years" I just meant that I presume the EBBRO kit will be marketed as a 19xx 4L, and the Heller as a 19xx 4L, but the model years will of course be different to represent those different phases you're speaking about.

 

It still makes me wonder if there are enough shared components between the phases to justify sharing most of the dirty bit tooling, especially with the connection between the heads of Heller and EBBRO.  Or possibly is Heller planning all three of these kits and EBBRO is going to co-brand the kits for Asia the way other kits have been done Revell AG tooling as Tamiya, the Moebius truck kits and a slew of Fujimi tools done as Revell AG kits, etc.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 01:50 PM

 
@Geoff, The Ebbro is not a 'much' earlier R4, just a little, it already uses the grille with the incorporated headlights, which can be easily solved with tooling just another grille and some bumpers.
If you take the Phase 1 R4, the front end is different enough for it should be needing an all new hood, grille and headlights.


Looking at the Ebbro version, to me looks like the 1967 model where as the Heller has the later grey plastic grill and different wheels makes it a 1978 model, to me, that's 'much earlier'