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Posted 18 April 2015 - 07:51 AM

Getting somewhere...

 

A lot has been done but I'll just show where it got me to.

 

Here is an early photo to give understanding to what's been done. It's a close shot of the firewall and how it sits on the chassis according to Pocher. Note the rectangular wood block between the floor and chassis rail. See that the firewall is spaced off the frame by .250". The high firewall raises the body front even higher. This causes the hood to slope downward from the firewall to the radiator - the originals were flat:

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The object is to get the floor (which attaches to the body side sills) to rest on the frame (thereby lowering it) to give the correct proportions the 1:1 had.

 

Another earlier view showing that the cowl is raised above the firewall (a huge ugly gap) and the step between the firewall and cowl. Clearly the body front edge is much higher than the radiator. This would be an out of box assembly:

 

 

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After much cutting, grinding, slotting and bracket removal, here's where it is now. Firewall sits flush on the frame, Body is channeled roughly .250" and cowl sits atop the firewall. This lowers the rear of the hood line making a straight line from radiator to body. The entire floor will sit on the frame at front (hadn't been slotted completely in this shot; it now sits flat) and nearly flush in rear. This will also lower the rear fender tire clearance. The louvers and side panels now have different relationships and will need sectioning and material added to give a straight louver line and hood sides that rest on the frame, not overlap. Just careful measuring and fitting to come:

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Now with the help of a little editing, a look at where we're going. To visually lower the car's aspect in addition to the actual lowering done so far, the door rear window track and door top edge have been removed:

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And here the windscreen frame and top have been chopped roughly 5/16". Compare to the second photo above:

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Much has been done so far but much remains to get all the various proportions to play with each other. All this advanced work has come from studying the Dave Cox site and conversations with him.

It's giving me the model I'd always hoped.



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Posted 18 April 2015 - 08:40 AM

Looking fabulous, like a 1:1 in a restoration shop.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 05:55 AM

you are doing an amazing build.



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:05 AM

wow; you've got that body in a double-suplex!



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:22 AM

wow; you've got that body in a double-suplex!

 

I laughed hysterically  at that comment...well done :D



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 07:28 AM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

When things go badly, I resort to the Full Nelson!

Thanks all...



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Posted 21 April 2015 - 03:37 PM

Flights of fancy...

 

When radically altering a design, I've learned that the most important thing is to coordinate all the elements. Adding the stock trunk changes everything we've altered for the sake of refinement by putting a big box on the back end. Note that there are myriad detail changes required after the big elements are altered; things like the coach line, louvers, running boards and hood cut lines.  Please pardon the poor photo editing but it does help one visualize proposed changes.

 

The actual work to achieve the lowness will be shown in coming photos. The floor is now finalized as is the firewall which is bolted in place and the foundation for all the body structural work. A LOT of cutting and slotting was needed. The body rear is lowered by 4mm over the rails, giving a much better tire gap (seen below) at the rear. The front fender was finalized months ago and now the rear matches that lowered position.

 

Here is the current state before any further alterations; remember some of the previous shots were edited to show where I want it to be. To review, here the body has been channeled and the floor lowered to the frame top. The door top has had a 'digital' cut at the top edge. The hood is no longer raked down to the grille; it's flat as all Phantoms were:

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Now we see what sectioning (lowering) the trunk does; a smoother-flowing belt line from the now-flat hood top to trunk top. The top and windshield post has been digitally chopped; the post 5mm, the top about 7mm. Probably need to take at least 5mm out of the trunk:

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A more daring idea shows the trunk rear wall angled to add to the visual movement of the whole design. Many 1:1 Phantoms had custom trunks just like this. Remember the exposed spare tire will be mounted and angled there too. I'm not sure if I'll go that far but am leaning that way (pun intended). Your thoughts?

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 04:20 PM

The raked trunk at the bottom shot doesn't seem pleasing to me. When you look at the curves at the top of the door molding and the bottom of the sedanca top, the progression to the trunk doesn't look right.

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Posted 21 April 2015 - 06:33 PM

Wholy cow you are braver than I, this is big time work my friend
I cold use some of my trunk and spare tire removed too

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 02:10 PM

Rake the trunk. After looking at it for a while, the unedited one looks far too big and bulky.

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 02:22 PM

Hmmm, we need a tie-breaker...



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Posted 22 April 2015 - 02:57 PM

The trunk does look a little out of place.
How about something like this?

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 03:18 PM

I like the second pic smaller trunk as well
The esthetic and balance is better than the flat large junk-in-the-trunk look
You really are blowing me away with this, good for you

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Posted 22 April 2015 - 03:37 PM

Strangely, the stock Pocher trunk (mine was already sectioned 1/8" vertically when I moved the body back) is a faithful repro of the Gurney Nutting 'standard' (mean frequently chosen) trunk on their Sedanca Phantoms. I found many examples of the 'RY' chassis number cars bodied by them most appealing and what I'm striving for.

 

Bob makes a good point and these cars had a myriad of styles just for trunks alone. That's not a bad look for the fuller fender cars but mine has the abbreviated (sides cut away) type.

 

I will continue to noodle on this as I prepare now to cut the top; a scary moment...



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Posted Yesterday, 05:40 AM

At one point, you talked about having a more rounded trunk lid. Whichever approach you choose, I think that would match the horizontal lines well.

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Posted Yesterday, 06:33 AM

A slightly rounded edge on the trunk which also match the rounded edge of the roof.
Just a thought.

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Posted Yesterday, 09:24 AM

Although the trunk top (or lid) is rectangular, it does have a 'dome' or crown to it at the four corners. . When I get the final body mount position, that will determine how much the roof needs to come down. That will indicate how much the trunk should come down. Everything is inter-related.

 

Still debating the angled back wall but much to be done before that final decision.



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Posted Today, 02:38 PM

You have to see it with the spare if you go that way.
My opinion is to match the crown of the trunk with that of the sedanca top first (like Bob's examples), decide on the spare, and then check the trunk angle. Either way, it'll be an improvement over the straight trunk.