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#61 LWBNomad

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:33 PM

...A tool which made it go much faster for me and made the whole project palatable was an old Dremel hobby tool, one of the single-speed models which needed to be plugged into Dremel's speed controller (a purpose-made rheostat) which slowed the drill bits down to where they would not melt the plastic. By not having to manually turn and twist a pin vise (vice, if you're Canadian...grin), you break far fewer drill bits since you can hold things much steadier. And since we're talking British here (and Canadian) I'll just say Good Show, Eh?

 

I have such a combination, but I've been unable to find a fine enough chuck to hold those tiny #78 drill bits.  I'll keep looking.  Actually, I've ordered carbide bits that have a ⅛ shank, that will solve the issue - when they get here.  I also found that #77 bits are considerably stronger while only being .002" larger and the larger holes, which I've drilled in the outer rim only,  with spokes inserted can be filled by CA glue.



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 02:35 AM

I have such a combination, but I've been unable to find a fine enough chuck to hold those tiny #78 drill bits.  I'll keep looking.  Actually, I've ordered carbide bits that have a ⅛ shank, that will solve the issue - when they get here.  I also found that #77 bits are considerably stronger while only being .002" larger and the larger holes, which I've drilled in the outer rim only,  with spokes inserted can be filled by CA glue.


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If you like you can send me your mailing address via a PM and I'll send you a set of four collets ( the smallest of which will grasp a #80 drill = .013") and an adjustable chuck. These are extras ( I think I have five sets) that I've accumulated over the years which are cluttering up my workbench.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 06:08 AM

Thank you, Bob!  PM has been sent, I think.



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 09:58 AM

Here is my first wheel half, completely spoked.  And I am stoked!  The elation at fitting the last couple of spokes would not be believed until one experiences it.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:38 PM

Stan

 

Congradulations on your first completed wheel, it looks great!

 

I've actually heard that a pet pedicure tool makes a good drill motor, they are cheap, will have to check one out someday.

 

I just bought the Packard Roadster, wish I could join you guys, but it will have to wait awhile.

 

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 04:01 PM

I've been fretting about how to drill the rest of these wheels so that they don't take two weeks each.  I picked up a Dremel drill press but my old Dremel 270 - which rotates nice and slow plugged into the foot pedal rheostat - won't fit.  I then bought a new Dremel 100 to fit the drill press.  But it doesn't work plugged into the foot pedal rheostat.  Looks to me like the old Dremels are better than the new ones.  So I looked again at my floor-standing Delta 14" drill press.  The pulleys can be rigged for 460 RPM.   The .016" carbide bits I ordered arrived yesterday, they have ⅛" shanks and the big drill press chuck will take them, no problem.  Then all one has to worry about is lateral runout, as the carbide won't take any lateral loading.  I set up a jig and tried it.  Very hard to modulate the feed and I broke two bits on the first wheel half, but the problem was that I couldn't see the action and fed too quickly, breaking the bits.  No problem with lateral runout.  Then I ditched my safety glasses and put on my magnifying visor so I could get in really close and see the action, and be much more delicate managing the feed.  The second wheel went fine.  This is working!

 

The first two photos show the jig positioned to drill holes in the rim for "trailing" spokes; once the trailing spoke holes are done, the jig will be re-positioned to drill the "leading" spoke holes.  The trailing and leading spoke holes need to be on separate planes; this was an error I made in my first hand-made wheel and I had to re-drill half of the holes I'd done.

 

The last photo shows a wheel half with the trailing spoke holes completed.

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Edited by LWBNomad, 14 April 2014 - 05:17 AM.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 04:28 PM

Very Ingenious Mr. Munn

Great work :D  :D  :D

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 05:45 PM

Bravo Stan!!!... very clever.

 

So you're drilling the holes before removing the spokes, nice idea.

 

Hope to see more soon!

 

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 04:49 AM

Boy, I love it when a good plan comes together!  :)  Great work, Stan! I think your drill jig is rather ingenious, besides being more efficacious than my method of drilling the spokes out one-by-one by hand. Took forever!

 

Cheers!

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:14 AM

Thanks for the compliments!  I drilled more holes last night.  With practice getting the feed rate right so as to avoid breaking the drill bit, it took just 14 minutes to do 26 holes on my last wheel rim.  So I've done all the trailing spoke holes on all five remaining wheels; now I'll move the jig to do the leading spoke holes.  I'll still use a pin-vice and a high-speed steel bit to drill the holes in the hubs, but I'll mark pilot holes with the tip of a scriber to make sure the bit can't wander and the holes are properly placed.  Having the rim holes drilled makes it easier to cut out the plastic spokes a few at a time and get the positions for the wire spoke replacements correct.  However, I don't see any way around hand-work for drilling the hub holes.  It's still going to be several weeks before I have a set of wires as nice as Bob's.

 

I have three of these Hubley Duesenberg kits; I want to build at least two of them.  This will keep me off the streets for a while...


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 04:30 PM

I built both the Phaeton and the Town Car years ago. Yours has to be the best model I have ever seen of a J Duesey Gabriel/Hubley kit. Well done so far.



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Posted 14 April 2014 - 05:40 AM

Here's an inner wheel half with both sets of holes for leading and trailing spokes.  The plane of leading spoke holes are just slightly offset from the plane of trailing spoke holes so that they'll all go quietly to the hub without clashing.  Because the carbide bits break if you feed them against a surface at an acute angle, the rim was pre-drilled with a small carbide router bit.  I'm prepping more than one set of wheels this way (my personal form of madness).

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 08:59 AM

Okay, Bob. Waiting for more detail on the rest of the car!



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:57 PM

I'm ready for more. 



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Posted 24 April 2014 - 04:50 PM

You can buy a chuck that fits into one of those cordless screwdrivers that rotate very slow. That's what I drill all my HO Scale grab iron holes with. Cost about 9 bucks.

 

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:42 AM

I can't help feeling that this thread has been hijacked and I wish Bob would come back with progress on his kit.



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Posted 01 May 2014 - 01:36 PM

Not to mention that it got moved and I just now blindly stumbled across it...

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 09:35 AM

Hi guys,

 

Sorry to have been away for a while, but for a long time I thought this thread had been deleted. I just found out it had been moved from On The Workbench to Diecast and Resin Models. Not sure why since this is a kit build and not a purchased fully-assembled model.

 

At any rate, Harry Pristovnik, the Art Director of Model Cars magazine has taken the Duesenberg build partially presented here and will be running an article on it in the January 2015 issue. Harry mentions it will be on the cover as well. He sent me a pdf proof which - under his hand - looks really brilliant. Hope you all enjoy it and find something useful within.

Cheers!

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 11:05 AM

So let me get this straight...

 

You made this from a Gabriel kit?

 

You are Gerald Wingrove, AICMFP.


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Posted 30 September 2014 - 03:25 PM

AWESOME! 

 

Can't wait t see the magazine