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#21 blunc

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:46 AM

One thing I would like to point out in this age of "quality", the ISO9000 and TS16949 certifications do NOT guaranty a well made product, it merely guarantees that a product is made per a company process as specified in required company documents.

 

ponder that for a while.  ;)



#22 Dave Van

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:50 AM

all automakers have recalls though. lets go back to the fords that caught on fire just sitting in driveways. gm needs to get it straight and im sure they will. I think the problem is none of the automakers test the vehicles enough before pushing out the next new model.

Yep.....My near perfect Honda Fit had a recall.......

Let me tell a story that will show the difference.

It was an internal recal....no FORCED government issue.

It was a spring in the VTEC system that could break......and if it did you MIGHT loose 10-15 HP.

I took it to the largest Honda dealer in Ohio....one very close to the Honda factory.

The guy that did the recall on mine had already performed the recall on over 100 Fit's.

My spring was fine...but replaced free.

I asked him if ANY springs on the 100 plus cars had failed. NOPE....not one. But Honda's internal test showed it MIGHT break after 200,000 or so miles.

 

THAT is the difference in a common recall and what is going on at GM now!



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 10:04 AM

I have a 05 Silverado and no recalls. truck is still basically brand new. I think around 52,000 miles but the paint at the top of the doors is chipping off very little but was told that its the primer chevy used that the paint doesnt stick too well. same with my 05 gto, no problems except I had to get the ignition switched out because it had froze up. common problem with the newer goats. luckily it was under warranty. the other problem was the factory 17 inch wheels would rub the front struts on the inside of the tires. let my dealer know and they gave me new tires and replaced the struts. upraded the wheels to 18 inch and no issue since. so I stick with g.m. ive heard good things about Hondas and some other cars but I have no need for any of their models. I like trucks and muscle. 



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 10:45 AM

I too have had very good luck with my 2000 LeSabre. The car is the best car I've ever owned. One recall for the intake manifold. But, the dealer took care of it with no hassles, and the replacements are fine. The car is getting old. I've had to replace minor things on it. But, nothing unusual. A great car. But boring. I still trust GM products as much as any of the others. But, GM keeps moving its farther and farther away from what I love.

I still remember Oldsmobile's "This is Not Your Father's Oldsmobile" campaign in the early 1990's. This is the problem with GM in the last 30 years or so. In the 50's my father drove a '51 Olds 88. Then a '55 Super 88. My mother bought a new Delta 88 "Holiday" edition in 1980. I liked my father's, and for that matter, my mother's Oldsmobiles. The Oldsmobiles they tried selling were not my father's (or mother's) Oldsmobiles. And that was the problem.

As far as comments on each division being run separately. Other GM divisions or vendors made parts like ignition locks for all GM cars in the past too. But, somehow it worked better. If a part didn't meet a divisions standards, the individual division would confront the parts maker. If five or more separate GM divisions run into the problem, it's more likely to be confronted. Each GM division was in charge of their plants. I remember in the early 70's Oldsmobile wasn't happy with the quality of it's cars at the time. So they enforced a major quality control program that made the Oldsmobiles coming out of the Olds plant in Lansing, a lot better than other GM products coming out of other plants at the time. GM was big, and had resources and divisions to develop new and better products. But, each small division was run so they make changes to their specific problem as it cropped up. This is the way Alfred P. Sloan set up GM to be in the 1920's. And this way it was run at least through the mid 1960's. This is what made GM the juggernaut that it was.

GM is now more centrally controlled. But, is it a better company? Does GM control over 50% of the car market like they did in the mid 60's? The small individual GM kingdoms seem to work better than the one big over site of everything kingdom they now have.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 10:50 AM

GM is now more centrally controlled. But, is it a better company? Does GM control over 50% of the car market like they did in the mid 60's? The small individual GM kingdoms seem to work better than the one big over site of everything kingdom they now have.

 

Well, one thing's for darn sure. A car company that has recalled nearly fourteen million cars, 35 different models and over more than 20 separate recalls this year alone (and the year's not even half over yet!) has some major, major problems insofar as how that company is operating and the product they're putting on the road.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 10:58 AM

True. But not on a massive scale like this. At least not that I can remember. We're talking nearly fifteen million vehicles so far this year alone!

 

That's it exactly. Even those "perfect" Japanese cars get recalled every so often, but there's a point where you just have to sit back and ask "are you flippin kidding me???"

 

Maybe if they changed their name to American Leyland it would bring them better luck.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:08 AM

It's pretty sad about GM.  I had high hopes, but it's getting almost comical how bad that company is being ran these days.

 

Ford on the other hand has been putting out some fantastic looking vehicles the past few years.

 

The new Explorers and the Ford Edge are absolutely killer looking.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:10 AM

Funny how all these problems have occurred since the govt got involved with them. Just sayin'.........

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:12 AM

Funny how all these problems have occurred since the govt got involved with them. Just sayin'.........

 

I don't think the problems are new.. they are just under closer scrutiny now that the government is involved.

 

The GM recall debocle and lawsuit due to deaths because they DIDN'T issue a recall is what is making them do all these recalls now.. otherwise it would have just been swept under the rug like it had been for who knows how long.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:14 AM

To be fair, the new head honcho (honchess?) Mary Barra is supposedly working to overhaul GM's inept (and apparently downright dangerous) management style... but the question is, how successful will she be, how long will it take to overhaul the operations and management style of a behemoth like GM with an ingrained way of doing things, and how many more recalls before the "New GM" they talk about actually becomes reality and not just a PR slogan?



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:28 AM

I don't think the problems are new.. they are just under closer scrutiny now that the government is involved.
 
The GM recall debocle and lawsuit due to deaths because they DIDN'T issue a recall is what is making them do all these recalls now.. otherwise it would have just been swept under the rug like it had been for who knows how long.

You miss my point, govt. involvement means troubles. Look at our wonderful usps, another govt debacle.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:42 AM

the big problem with the mega recall is the vehicles that they are recalling are sharing the same defective parts. in the past most vehicles didn't share parts in separate models but G.M. must of been saving money by installing these same parts in multiple models. like Michael said, its because of the lawsuit is why its more scrutinized. no lawsuit, you probably wouldn't even be hearing much about it. look at what Toyota did with the runaway cars. if people didn't die and lawsuits were not happening then it would not of been a big deal. look how long they denied it until fixing the issue.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:44 AM

Only government induced trouble I might see is that GM can't get away with stuff as easily as they once could, be it intended or through incompetence. If Barro is trying to fix GM, I wish her luck, she will likely need it. If it won't be the old guard getting in her way (wonder if the was given the job to be a sacrifical lamb as much as a CEO), regulators, advocats, and lawyers, causing problems, then there's the possible sales losses from this.......even though they are actually trying to fix the things that are going wrong with the vehicles.................

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:50 AM

funny thing is sales have been up since the recalls. here in Houston the new chevys are everywhere. especially the vettes. every time im out, I see at least 3 or 4 on the road. wish I had money like that. one day.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:01 PM

You miss my point, govt. involvement means troubles. Look at our wonderful usps, another govt debacle.


Its clear you really want to blame the Government for GM's problems, but you cant, The Cobalts were having their ignition problems long before the G"ment bailed GM out.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:12 PM

Don't worry, the execs will still cash in a bonus at the end of the year.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:18 PM

I just got a 06 silverado with 30,000 miles. Two days later the blower stopped working ( have a 05 and two other 06's with same problem,but some speeds still work and they are the crews trucks) as I live in my truck 10 hours a day I looked it up on Internet it is a wide ranging problem with a "special warranty replacement" for 10 years 150,000 miles.
Anyway the blower draws too many amps and shorts the resistor and module. The dealer I took it to yesterday replaced the resistor and module, I smelled burning wires today (same thing ten days ago when it stopped working) so I think it's going to happen again since they really didn't correct the cause which I believe is covered and should've been done.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:18 PM

the big problem with the mega recall...

 

I could see if the problem was limited to one mega recall.

 

But it's not one mega recall. Since just the the beginning of the year it's been 24 separate recalls of 35 different models for all sorts of problems, from faulty ignition switches to overheating exhaust systems to bad fuse blocks to seatbelts, to airbags, and on and on and on. The recalls span a large range of GM's model lineup, and the problems are all over the place.

 

At this point, which GM vehicle hasn't been recalled for one problem or another?

 

If it's true that GM sales are up despite this huge, ongoing mess, what does that say about the smarts of the American consumer?  :blink:



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:20 PM

I'm a tech as a profession so I've seen all makes and models and touched a lot of cars. But there's a reason I daily drive a 1990 Toyota supra. I am partial to my imports but I was only driven to that side because of how crappy the "American" cars are built. Half aren't even built in the us. If you want to support American buy a Japanese car. Toyotas, nissans, and Hondas are mostly made here in the us. Excluding a few models from each company (frs, gtr's, nsx etc. because those are flagship models. Doing most maintence items like oil changes now really suck on modern cars. Nothing is easy to fix and there's a computer for everything!

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 12:40 PM

I'm a tech as a profession so I've seen all makes and models and touched a lot of cars. But there's a reason I daily drive a 1990 Toyota supra. I am partial to my imports but I was only driven to that side because of how crappy the "American" cars are built. Half aren't even built in the us. If you want to support American buy a Japanese car. Toyotas, nissans, and Hondas are mostly made here in the us. Excluding a few models from each company (frs, gtr's, nsx etc. because those are flagship models. Doing most maintence items like oil changes now really suck on modern cars. Nothing is easy to fix and there's a computer for everything!


I find it very funny, so many people are "so pro American cars" when so many are not made here, but yet they bad mouth the Non American cars that are built here, by Americans, I know the old argument, well, the all the profits go back to the company's, well duh, thats how business work, but those Global car company's are putting food on the tables of American workers, at time when so many American company's have sent jobs to other parts in the world, but darn those evil foreign car company's.

I proudly drive a Nissan with over 300,000 miles and still going strong, but I have also owned GM's in past,and I have to say, both were POS's and one cost more then I paid for it to keep it running. The one GM product that I owned was a 84 Olds, that was very good car, tell the engine went up in smoke