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#161 Burnout

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 02:13 PM

Stumbled across this thread last night, tons of potential SS/DA cars in there.  Just need the shaker hood from the stock kit and a Torqueflite and you're there.  

 

http://board.moparts...&fpart=all&vc=1

 

This one is pretty cool - the "Sun Kissed Cuda"  

 

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Not the S&M Pro Stock (though prepped by S&M) but this link contains an old magazine article on this car.  It was retired by owner in 1975 as it was raced rather than be outfitted with a roll bar!  

http://board.moparts...ic=&Search=true



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 03:13 PM

There's a pretty good article on the car in the February 1970 issue of Hot Rod. Scans taken from Ebay, sorry!

 

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 04:02 PM

Found me a good way to build the right tunnel RAM for this engine!

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 04:25 PM

glad someone is paying attention Cruz. ! After our chat at the meeting Looks like you followed along very well. This goes back to the links I posted on page three of this post. many years ago my friend Frank Kokosza built the must accurate 70 barracuda you can imagine. The Revell kit won't hold a candle to Franks build. You can find lots of pictures and a description of what he did and what you might want to fix with the help of Frank's extensive research here.

 http://public.fotki....70_cuda/engine/

http://public.fotki....martin_70_cuda/  



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:28 PM

Found me a good way to build the right tunnel RAM for this engine!

Looks great and is a major improvement over the kit piece.  But don't call it a tunnel ram...  The purists will cringe.  The preferred nomenclature is "Individual runner". :D



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 05:48 PM

Yes Vince, those pictures were certainly very helpful and I must give credit to you and Frank. I went with metal tubes instead of plastic but luckily they were pretty good to work with.



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 07:52 AM

Hey Cruz, any way you can cast that thing in resin or have someone do it for you? I would love to have one copy for myself. What carbs are you using for this?



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:04 PM

There's a pretty good article on the car in the February 1970 issue of Hot Rod. Scans taken from Ebay, sorry!

 

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Here are a couple of articles from the magazines back then.

First some larger more readable pictures from the Hot Rod February 1970 article you posted

 

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And a later article from Cars December 1970...note that they used dual distributors and dual plug heads by then as in the later 1971 'Cuda.

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 03:05 AM

Okay guys, so, did they run with dual distributors and single also? Just want to make sure I get this right....... :unsure:



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 03:33 AM

Single in 1970, The dual came in 71.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 04:46 AM

Okay guys, so, did they run with dual distributors and single also? Just want to make sure I get this right....... :unsure:

 

Single in 1970, The dual came in 71.

Looks like they tried dual early, took it off, brought it back later.  For the restored car the Revell kit represents, single is the way to go.   

 

If you're striving for period accuracy, you'll need to source a reinforced racing bellhousing they were mandatory on manual transmissions.  I haven't been able to find a good picture of what Sox ran.  I got all excited when I saw the pic above then noticed the disclaimer below it :(  


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 04:57 AM

Yes the pictures from the 1970 Hot Rod Magazine show the mock up clutch can as the car was just built at the time and wasn't finished and in race condition.

 

As you can see in my last pictures S & M did obviously try dual plug heads already in 1970 but I think it was late in the year, because those pictures are from Hi Performance Cars Monthly Magazine December 1970 and the car is one of their 70 'Cuda's...but of course the pictures can have been taken anytime during 1970 as the magazines save material to do articles over the whole year.

They did run dual plug heads in the 71 'Cuda but the distributors were a different setup as they used dual magnetos in that car.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:32 AM

Yes the pictures from the 1970 Hot Rod Magazine show the mock up clutch can as the car was just built at the time and wasn't finished and in race condition.

 

As you can see in my last pictures S & M did obviously try dual plug heads already in 1970 but I think it was late in the year, because those pictures are from Cars Magazine December 1970 and the car is one of their 70 'Cuda's...but of course the pictures can have been taken anytime during 1970 as the magazines save material to do articles over the whole year.

They did run dual plug heads in the 71 'Cuda but the distributors were a different setup as they used dual magnetos in that car.

Yeah, that's right, 71 was a magneto set up.  Other teams ran dual distributors in 70, here's Don Grotheer at York Pa in May.  I recall seeing a Sox and Martin picture from that same race that shows singles.  I may have posted it already in this thread.  

 

If the photos for the Cars Magazine article were all taken at the same time it would be early because it still has the un-cut six pack scoop.  

 

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Thanks for posting those, BTW.  You Scandinavians really love your Pro/Super Stocks, don't you!  


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 06:26 AM

Oh yes we do. B)

Yes I have seen several teams/guys running both dual distributors/dual plug heads and singles on their Hemi's during the early to mid 70's in Pro Stock.

I don't have the Cars article itself, just these pictures so I don't know if they are taken at the same time, the Cars magazine was from December and the Hot Rod article is from February and shows single plug heads...so I assumed the Cars pictures were late...but Sox & Martin had several cars active at the same time as they did both the NHRA, AHRA cirquit and lots of match racing during the year, and they could have changed some things around a bit now and then...but I don't know for sure.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:40 AM

Indeed looks like 1970 for the Landy twin plug. Scroll down a little aand there is the story.

 

Love all the interest this kit is getting!

 

http://www.modelcars...showtopic=40562


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:59 AM

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Here's that picture I mentioned before.  I thought it was a little clearer that it was a single setup, but it's not so easy to tell. 

 

There are pictures of this car from same race showing red rear bumper, so this would have had a mismatched set with chrome on the front. 

 

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Edited by Brett Barrow, 18 July 2014 - 11:11 AM.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:56 AM

Just seen on Slixx decals facebook page a preview of there up coming Don Grotheer decals for this model kit. Pretty nice looking.



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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:39 PM

Looks like you have to paint the red roof stripe and then apply the white decals. I may just paint the roof and stripe.Not sure now. Glad they are making the decals.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 11:29 AM

Has anyone who is building this kit found the right color blue paint for the roof. I want to use laquer. Thanks.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 12:01 PM

Has anyone who is building this kit found the right color blue paint for the roof. I want to use laquer. Thanks.

MCW Automotive Finishes (www.mcwautomotivefinishes.com) offers the exact colors for Sox and Martin replicas.   The colors vary depending on the model year of the racer.  

 

For the '70 'cuda, the color translates to '68 Mopar factory code QQ1, which was otherwise known as Electric Blue Metallic for Plymouth and Bright Blue Metallic for Dodge that model year.  There is no exact model paint equivalent of this color, and it is NOT the same color as 1969/1970 B5 Blue nor 1971-73 B5 Blue.  Some of Tamiya's Blue Metallics would probably be an acceptable option for a shelf-only model.  

 

Hope that helps!  Regards...TIM