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#21 Jon Haigwood

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 07:20 AM

Yeah but it wouldn't be the same if Jan & Dean sang "Bucket A-A, Bucket A, Bucket A"



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:00 AM

Who ? https://www.youtube....h?v=IIlBLCwD_Tw   :lol:



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Posted 07 July 2014 - 08:09 AM

Jan &Dean 1964 , Who (a cover) 1966

 

 


Edited by Jon Haigwood, 07 July 2014 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2014 - 04:09 PM

Of course, to be truly accurate, Kookie's Kar (Norm Grabowski build) isn't quite a true "T-bucket"----that term being very much standard in referring to Model T roadsters.

 

Grabowski built his T using the forward half of a T touring car body--you can see the straight panels on the sides, on which the rear doors of the touring body were hinged.

 

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 04:15 PM

And yet ol' Woo Woo is still called the Father of the Tee Bucket. :P p118659_large1923_ford_model_trear_side_



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Posted 08 July 2014 - 06:30 PM

And yet ol' Woo Woo is still called the Father of the Tee Bucket. :P p118659_large1923_ford_model_trear_side_

And yet, given that teh most common definition of a T-bucket (hot rod wise anyway) is a Model T Ford roadster--Norm "Wo-Woo" Grabowski's car isn't!  If you look closely at the rear corners of the body, you can see the short flat panel at the rear corners, just ahead of the shortened pickup box, that tell the body shell's origin as a Model T Touring Car body that had it's entire rear seat portion removed (there was actually a body seam at the bottom of that short flat panel, where the two sections joined.

 

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 06:45 PM

Still gonna call Norm the father of the T Bucket. I think he used the chopped up touring because it was handy, and because he was a big boy and he would not have been comfortable in a standard roadster. I don't think bucket referred to a body style per se, but that bucket was a common term for an older car. That particular car became iconic as a bucket T because of film and TV use. Norm starred in a few of the eponymous beach films of the day including Out Of Sight as a henchman called Huh! That film also featured a Barris car called the ZZR.



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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:23 AM

 

 

And yet, given that teh most common definition of a T-bucket (hot rod wise anyway) is a Model T Ford roadster

 

Yeah, yeah, we get it.   :blink:  same group though.  :lol:


Edited by Greg Myers, 09 July 2014 - 05:24 AM.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:08 AM

 

Yeah, yeah, we get it.   :blink:  same group though.  :lol:

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:27 AM

Wiki: A T-bucket (or Bucket T) is a specific style of hot rod, based on a Ford Model T of the 1915 to 1927 era, but extensively modified, or alternatively built with replica components to resemble a Model T.

 

from what is on their web site at the National T-Bucket Alliance any T will do and at T Bucket.com and a few others

 

I did find one site that defined it as built from a T Roadster with "Bucket" style body . Even found some  Phaeton bodied "T Buckets" although I would most likly call them a "T Tub" .

 

So I guess its up to your personal interpretation on what a "T Bucket" is

than there is this which totally confuses the issue

 

Fad-T-T-Bucket.jpgT-Bucket or Fad T?

Fad T, T-Bucket, Bucket T, even “fab” T (as in fabulous) are all popular terms describing the incredibly popular Model T-based hot rods we know and love.

To start, here’s the definition of Fad T from no less an authority than the “Ultimate Hot Rod Dictionary: A-Bombs to Zoomies” by Jeff Breitenstein:

fad T (also fad car) n. Any T-bucket roadster constructed entirely from new, prefabricated components, including a reproduction fiberglass body. The first aftermarket fiberglass roadster bodies featured in hot rodding and street rodding applications were introduced (notably by Cal Automotive) in the late 1950s. From the early to mid-1960s, T-bucket roadster kits gained in sophistication and completeness; the resulting fad-T trend peaked in popularity in the late 1960s and has maintained moderate favor to the present. Fad-Ts offer the advantages of simpler construction and lower initial cost when compared with other street rod types, but are sometimes discounted by rodders who prefer genuine vintage tin bodies and components.

Tex Smith coins Fad T to describe T-Bucket

I’ll put a stake in the ground and say that the term fad T was first used in print by the legendary hot rod writerarrow-10x10.png and builder LeRoi “Tex” Smith in the July 1964 edition of Rod & Custom magazine (which coincidentally featured Bill Schmidt’s awesome ’24 T-Bucket on the cover). Fresh from building the innovative XR6, which was crowned America’s Most Beautiful Roadster at the 1963 Oakland Roadster Show, perhaps no other person at the time was better qualified to write a story on “Trends in Roadster Styling”. In comparing “traditional” roadsters and modern roadsters, Tex noted that:

“(The modern) category also takes into account the ‘fad’ cars, as they have come to be known. These are the ‘kookie’ cars that have become the rage in various sections of the country. In the early days of hot rodding they were called modifieds. They consist of an engine, frame, four wheels and a body. And not much else. They are generally of the bobtailed version, using a ’23 glass Model T body set at a rakish angle on channel iron frame rails. The engine is very much out of doors, with outside drag headers modified (usually plugged) to feed the exhaust through stock mufflers under the body. Stock height windshields and tops add to the strange illusion of great height of these styles.

Although the kookie cars are never identical in every respect, they do look the same. Thus the tab of ‘fad’ cars by the morearrow-10x10.png traditional builders.

These cars are really quite easy to build, especially since they have become so popular. There are several major speed companies now offering complete kits for building such a car, which makes them even more reasonable. They also make ideal show machines, as they catch the fancy of the general public. However, unlike the other categories, they are not the greatest for highway cruising. Much fun around town, though. Many West Coast builders are now even chauffering two cars, a kookie machine and one of the other approaches.”

Shortly thereafter, Tex reinforced the fad term in his “Hot Rods Down Under” story in the October, 1965 Car Craft by commenting on a photo of a particularly cool looking Aussie T-Bucket that “the fad roadster is a natural for Australia (and) creates a big gathering at the few custom shows now produced.”

Then, in the February, 1966 issue of Popular Hot Rodding in his story about the Marasco brothers’ hot rods Tex kept the term alive by writingarrow-10x10.png, “Fred had wanted to build a small fenderless ‘T’ bucket ‘fad’ car for a long time, and Dave’s masterpiece just whetted the desire.”

The T-Bucket had so rapidly become a popular hot rod by the mid-60s that the following year the National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) used a T-Bucket in its ads (see photo above) recruiting young men (and women) to pursue careers in the retail automobile business.

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Tex knew T-Buckets and Fad T’s

Tex really knew what he was talking about. In later describing how the XR6 was conceived, he said, “I had been using a lot of drawings from artist Steve Swaja, a student at the time at the nearby Art Center. One day I asked if he could design a roadster project for me, using a combination ’23/’27 Model T body and a race car nose. This was the drawing that we used as the project was introduced in Hot Rod. Curt Hamilton and Bud Lang had recently begun producing the first fiberglass replicas of the Model T bodies, mostly for drag cars. Their company was called Cal Automotive. Curt made me up a ’27 cowl mated to an upswept ’23 rear portion.” However, this design concept swiftly changed when Tex received a phone call that a major model car company was willing to pay for the whole project if it was really far out. The rest is T-Bucket hot rod historyarrow-10x10.png.

Sixty years later, T-Buckets remain popular as economic, simple, fun hot rods. A fad is supposed to disappear after a short while, so you really can’t call the T-Bucket a Fad T any longer. It’s probably morearrow-10x10.png of a Trend T and it could even be argued a Traditional T — but that’s a story for another day.

 


Edited by Jon Haigwood, 09 July 2014 - 07:28 AM.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

You're preachin' to the choir :o  .