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#21 Gregg

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 10:01 AM

That's the way Peoples' Choice is.
It was not a setup from the show, the counts were legit, so please don't think that it was that way.

It comes from the people who voted, plain and simple.

You get people to vote, you win.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 10:22 AM

from what ive been told by other ppl that were ther
the winner was a friend of the judges at the show and that he didnt even build the car
also that the car was missing pieces but he still won that smells,sounds,and looks like a set up
my info is only as good as my informants

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 10:42 AM

Forgive me if I'm wrong but, If I have read everything correctly, there are NO judges at a NNL contest. It is soley ballot judged by the people. This type of show was created to take the emphasis off of the awards and place it on the people and the models. I have yet to attend a show, but I will be going to the NNL east in a month and a couple weeks and I'll find out first hand. I am entering some builds and I am NOT expecting to win anything. Just having my builds on the table with everyboy else's builds and talking with other builders is plenty rewarding for me. I agree that the rig should have won, but apparently the "people" liked someone else's build better.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 10:52 AM

Sorry Bro...but Peoples Choice is just that - Peoples Choice!!! :o
having known the guys that run NNL West for o'er 20 years - there wasn't anything fishy done behind closed doors. Besides a NNL is a "model car show", it's not a contest - therefore no judges to judge! B)

All I can say is there sure was a lot of beautiful and extremly well crafted model cars on display this year just as there has been in the past ;)

now your "dragster build off" is a contest and I wanna thank you for throwin it out there, made me get off my butt and get started on the Brut Funnycar that i've been staring at for o'er 6 months now ;)

c'ya

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:02 AM

Another person actually won the award for Best of Show but he was not there at the end to receive the award. They called his name out several times and waited about 10 minutes or so. From what I understand, if you're not there to receive the award it goes to the next person with the highest votes. The staff does not choose the winner. The people who attend the show and vote choose the winner.

The staff does present Staff Awards which are papers that show the staff member's name and that he/she has chosen your car as one they liked. There are multiple awards for this.

The people at the NNL West run probably the best show in my opinion.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:50 AM

Looks like it was an awesome show and that to me it would be hard to select one out of all those beautifuls cars "my opinion they were all show stoppers and i hope this doesnt discourage people to attend and contribute to the nnl's in the future.
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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:54 AM

Thanks, Brendon and Curt. I couldn't have said it better.

This is quite right, and please knock off any notion of improprieties during the counting of the votes/ballots for Peoples’ Choice at the NNL West.

This happens sometimes, and that’s just the way it is.

If accusations are being made about the staff and vote counting at the show, please be very careful of what you say.

I will not tolerate any slander or defamation against those who I know and trust and treat as people with some of the highest standards in the modeling community.

Enough said.....

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 12:06 PM

Here's some of my pics. This was better than last year because I know some of you guys. I meet Raul Perez, Curt Raitz, Brian Soderstrum, Brenden Howden, Steve Hinson, Bill Just and Jerry Cardinal.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 12:42 PM

Thanks, Brendon and Curt. I couldn't have said it better.

This is quite right, and please knock off any notion of improprieties during the counting of the votes/ballots for Peoples’ Choice at the NNL West.

This happens sometimes, and that’s just the way it is.

If accusations are being made about the staff and vote counting at the show, please be very careful of what you say.

I will not tolerate any slander or defamation against those who I know and trust and treat as people with some of the highest standards in the modeling community.

Enough said.....

And well said...The folks who put this on bust their tails, and I can't thank them enough for their efforts ;)

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 01:06 PM

Any pictures of what won?

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 02:43 PM

hay im only stating what i herd
im not tryin to get ppl mad or stepping on ppls toe here
all i know is what i herd

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:15 PM

dude with all due respect its pretty simple: youre given a slip to fill out your peoples choice on and you put it in the drum and then they count the ballots and the one with the most votes win. it is *not* best of show, it is peoples choice. people sometimes make choices that dont relate to quality (not that im saying the winner wasnt quality, im not even sure what won to tell the truth because "winning" seems sort of beside the point), just the same way juries sometimes acquit people based on emotional response that a judge would convict strictly on the basis of law. typically in my experience its often the largest entry that gets peoples choice because it gets peoples attention. and a lot of people dont even vote for peoples choice (like me...i didnt because i forgot to). so peoples choice is sort of a "giveaway" thing though in the case of the NNL, where most attendees are builders themselves, it probably has more credibility than your average contest in conjunction with something else like a full size car show. anyway like gregg said, sometimes peoples choice just goes like that.

in retrospect, i personally would have chosen something completely different for my "peoples choice" but thats because im me. kind of obvious really.

it was a great day, nice saying hi to gregg and watching him take photos and even better to see another years crop of great models and meet great people. always gets me motivated to go to this show...wish there were more nearby.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 11:35 PM

I agree, Bill!
It was great to meet you in person
I love putting a name to a face, or email to a face, as the case may be.
Your Tub was fantastic!
Great to see that you build so well also!

It really was a great show.

We have to put the idiosyncrasies of the voting/ballots behind us.
We all have our favorite model or models of the show

My favorite model of course was.............

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 07:03 AM

My favorite model of course was.............


my Jaguar Trans/Am. You know what you and Mr. Bauer did to it. :lol: B) B) (an inside joke)

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 07:38 AM

cool bro youve got a tone of class in my book bro
you actually posted a reply(it was long as hel# and took me to log to read LOL) on biggs build
your a class act bro now you have my respect
othereppl would have left it alone but you didnt i like that
thank for going the distance bro

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 08:38 PM

I was so busy shopping, taking pictures, and watching my kids so I didn't really get to meet anyone except Albert W. because I knew what he looked like. Chatted a bit with Steve H. who I haven't seen in 3 years, his daughters are probably a foot taller since I saw them last. Saw many familiar faces, people that I spoke with at previous shows, but it's so hectic you can't really find anyone standing still.

What a fun day, can't wait until next year.

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Posted 28 June 2008 - 08:03 AM

I really enjoyed reading this topic and the posts ;) :blink: Wish they had an imodicon for "tongue in cheek"
I hope everyone who gets involved in these discussions has a "REAL LIFE", because if plastic is all you have - In my opinion - your in trouble ;) !!
I've been building an entering contests for over 50 years now :blink: :lol: , and if anyone thinks contests are un-biased, you need to step out of your denial! I've been on both ends; judged and judge, and heard it all. As far as people's choice - who do you think are the majority voting? :o
Maybe the contestants and their family and friends? And who gets tired of the same person winning year after year. Sure, the count is valid, and so are the votes, but in this particular case, and others, the voters didn't necessarily vote for someone else's model they liked - they voted against the guy that wins time and again.
Seen it happen over and over in the past, and it'll keep happening as long as there are wannabee's with entitlement issues,who need their ego's built up using plastic - GO FIGURE.
SORRY, but to be really honest - these models are childrens toy's that evolved into playthings for men.
When I was a kid men didn't play with model kit's, and if they did we stayed away from them because they were looked at as weird. Yes I play with childrens toys, but at least I understand the truth and the analogy.
I compete very rarely anymore. Dissapointing to hear the back-stabbing and see good up and coming builders treated so badly and they leave the hobby. And we wonder why the hobby is dying.
The saddest evolution I've seen in this hobby, especially at contests, is that winning is very seldom about being the best, and paying your dues to get there. IT'S JUST ABOUT WINNING-ANYWAY YOU CAN!! SAD ;) !!
SOLUTION? Build for fun first, and encourage other's. :lol:

Edited by Treehugger Dave, 28 June 2008 - 01:48 PM.