I've only picked this hobby two years ago, so I have around 7 or 8 finished drag models, about 8 in the closet and 4 on the bench either waiting for custom decals or being pre-primed and put back so I can jump right in if I struggle on one. I do a lot of mid 2000 Revel funny cars, retro's like JJ's early Vega and a Monza I just got and my bastardized Heavy Hugger kit (Ford engine with a GMC blower). But the most fun is buying resin blowers, hats, valve covers, one piece rubber slicks and suspension DIYs. I'll use the Revell top sportsman chassis or mod a pro stock kit into a pro mod.
Good points Cap't (guitar reference for reverb?) Most kit instructions I've found lately say wait 48 hours for decals to dry. As for clear, I've got an unopened can of Tamiya ts-13 that will prolly never be used! Testors one coat for shiny and regular Testors for dull coat protection. Just my experiences.
The fold up booth, if it's the same one I have, has a vacuum motor built in for fumes, the stalks with clips for hold parts to spray is separate and it's way too small for painting bodies! I'd recommend staying away from aerosol can propellant and bite the bullet for a pump and gun. Don Yost is a top notch builder and his $20 dvd gives you all the information for the best parts for different budgets, as well as conquering that fear of moving away from spray cans. Alas, I haven't picked it up yet but do intend to. If you have a 40% off Hobby Lobby coupon, you can a beginners acrylic kit from Testors with a aerosol can, six acrylic bottles of basic colors and primer. The point is that is has a single stage (?) gun, glass jar for shooting from and for a little over $10 with coupon, you could start with spoons or glue bombs to get the hang of an adjustable spray method vs. a can IMO.
Thanks again all. I'm going to do a spoon test on all Tamiya sprays and then use my Testors ultra gloss clear. Decals are going slowly as these big ones that stretch the side of the entire body and on the hood are very hard to slide off the backing for me. Timing is everything and keeping the water warm. I use a large tray for soaking them so they don't curl up as much.
Thanks again. I'm very cautious about painting and clear coats and have spent my share of Power Purple removing bad base coats. I've finally gotten comfortable with the basics, and if you've seen the decals from this MAD Revell kit, you know why I'm concerned of messing up what I've done so far.
The spoon idea jogged my memory from following Mooneyez' thread on his incredible funny car build, so I'll pick some up and start experimenting with Tamiya primer, some leftover Tamiya paint and Testors.
Thanks guys, but as you see when I originally posted - everyone may have different experiences. That's why I mentioned I always use decals so that could be factored in to any responses. The decals I've been running into lately in mid 2000 Revell funny car kits say wait 48 hours after painting before applying. Testors One Coat dries within 24 hours or maybe a little more. I allow the extra time with Tamiya because I apply extra coats and wait longer in between each one (45 mins) after the mist coats.
What about the old saying of stick to the same product line from start to finish? I have Testors One Coat shiny clear coat. Anyone heard of compatibility problems with Testors lacquer clear over Tamiya lacquer base? I don't want to try the "floor wax" liquid experiment again LOL. If anyone can recommend a nice clear coat with shine that won't discolor or destroy decals or craze my paint job, please let me know! Thanks again.
I've tried both Testors "One Coat" paints (metallics) and Tamiya (still being an amateur at can painting); I've followed Marco's advice concerning mist coats and then following coats for base. As for clear coats, I only had to wait a day or two to apply decals to Testors and the I waited 48 hours before applying their clear. No problems and I'm really not familiar with polishing systems at this time either.
As for Tamiya, this whole issue of using TS-13 has got me like a cat up a tree. I don't shoot models that don't have decals, so I'm looking for real world experience using Tamiya products from start to finish. Their website and linked articles are full of contradictions IMO. Here's my latest project: MAD Jerry Tolliver funny car, body in white. I used Tamiya grey primer first and then fine white to ensure the body was free of mold lines and lightly sanded for the base. I shot the Lavender base TS product and then let it gas for 6-7 days. I now have to paint one small rear spoiler strip yellow along with the fins, which means using some thin Tamiya tape and newspaper to protect the rest of the body. Once these parts are gassed, the whole thing will be assembled and decals will be applied.
So, can I apply my TS-13 then or do I have to wait the remainder of time to total an entire month from base to clear? Seriously, I saw that as one of the warnings. I just want to know dry/gassing time for TS paints and then wait time for TS-13.
This a beautiful example of a blower CF application. However, I work with 1/25 and received a sheet of similar scaled CF. I couldn't even start to conceive how to apply the form I needed for a mid-2000's hat, much less my eventual goal of a pro mod style like this.
I ended up cutting out a one-piece paper pattern like an exploded box where you have to fold certain pieces correctly to form a 3D image. Surprisingly it turned out well on the top of the hat, but the sides were weak where folded down and didn't adhere well. Besides that, the instructions required the piece to sit for 4-5 days
Can you please let on as to how you got the decal to contour to the large, rounded butterflies and how you cut/matched the CF to the gooseneck part of where the hat meets the blower top? Thanks.
As usual Tim, a knockout job. I'd hate to even try to compete against builds like these!
In the immortal words of Charlie Brown: "Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh!!!!!!"
Links I've been finding: http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/?showtopic=31664
Tamiya offers no real help, showing a "tag" decal instead of a body decal: http://www.tamiya.com/english/scale/beginner2/3.htm
So, based on Bob's info and addl. research, I just shot a 2nd, more improved basecoat on my Avenger body. This time, water temp holding paint can was appr.100 degrees, distance was closer to model body and speed of paint sweep was higher and more consistent. The original paint job had 3 mist coats completely covering the surface and one overall final coat. It had been gassing out for almost 2 weeks now and despite the knowledge above that "one coat", the metallics and even the Tamiya lacquers may be a combo of base/clear, the finished product was somewhat lackluster to me.
I observed the paint application and I saw no runs, sags or errors, so tomorrow I'll examine it with a fine tooth comb and a flashlight on the paint wheel. If it's o.k., I'll give it about a week and apply the decals. During the drying time I'll keep shooting bodies from my backlog and store them in my big tupperware tray with a lid.
Thanks for the help everyone!
BTW: great article reference from Bob; however it gives good reason for when to clear, but not the process, recommended clear or issues of gas time, etc. http://www.tamiyausa.com/articles/painting-with-tamiya-synthetic-lacquers-35?category_id=8#.VSsUL5PsiZO
Bob: I thought somewhere I'd read where if you went the polishing route (or spraying clear) prior to decal application, the decals just wouldn't adhere when everything was ready to go. I guess I'll use an old body I have: sand off the existing color on a fender, prime, mist about 3 coats to some spare base, apply a few mist coats of clear and then let it all gas out. Last step will be to apply decal set as usual and put a few on; see if they hold at least a week.
Thanks Tony. I saw that option on their color chart and was definitely something of an option,since I use to collect Muscle Machines back in 2002 and there was a '51 Mercury that had a pearl white finish on it. It wasn't hugely different from one of the white '66 GTOs but you could tell. Those little collectibles were fun to fill in on my shelves between the Action 1/24 scale funny cars. The 1/64 Muscle Machines more resembled Rat Fink rods than anything else. They went for around $3-5 dollars retail; I was trying to make shelf space for the models I'm now building and the little cars in near excellent condition only fetch around $2 for a group of five on Ebay.
Again folks: THANKS! 30 days is a light sentence considering the effort I've put forth on these builds. Please take a moment to check out the Fotki link in my sig line to see (roughly) my progress through so far. The "Billy the Kid" Glidden may have been my first serious attempt or it might have been the "Nightmare" (aka Kalitta re-issue) black Mustang flopper. The Frankenstein version of the Hayes pro street (what 351?) was one of my proudest jobs as I'd learned to build my own roll cage by following am73grand's instructions and I added my own front support bars and strut mounts along with extra tubing ahead of the engine for a fuel cell.
The Gold '55 Chevy is actually a Revell top sportsman body on a failed Shoebox built frame, running gear and interior as I didn't fair well with my 1st attempt at using clear on the Shoebox body and liked the Chevy better. I have the Firebird "street match" car ready to paint with homemade cage and converted carb to blown promod engine, an original Soff Seal Chevy heavily detailed along with a twin with the same converted carb to blown promod engine; parts courtesy of Resin Masters.
Last but not least, I was gifted the body parts and glass of the original Christine top sportsman, which I'm using with a spare Shoebox chassis, rear, Hemi engine and hand-built roll cage. This kit will have lots of Futurattraction parts such as an alum front engine mount, strut assembly, hand formed styrene rod front end and strut support, huge slicks and pop-up DZUS fasteners for panels along the tranny tunnel. I'm using a crank trigger system so I hope to make a believable ignition.
Also on the bench and making great progress is the Pioneer Tom Hoover Avenger build with some fuel and ignition detailing. All the info you've give me is SO valuable as I think I've got about 6 bodies left to paint that have chassis's finished and waiting! Thanks to each and everyone for your knowledge, I may be able to convince my wife to spend a little green for that Ace hardware hydrator. I think it's only 9" tall and 14" around, but it might fit a funny car body. I just don't know if the temp is adjustable. What setting should a body dry on temp wise and for how long?
I gotta crash. Us east coasters get grump in the morning
Thanks folks! The question of an additional coat of base - Bobthehobbyguy gave me several links to the Tamiya site which pretty much showed me I was doing many things wrong in the basic painting process - not consistently heating the can pre-painting, shaking instead of using a stirring motion to prevent separation of solvent from paint before spraying, etc. However, the question of adding an additional coat of paint once I'd discovered flaws in my technique didn't come up.
It's only been 48 hours; is it too late to lay down another coat? It looks good (gloss black) but could use a little more depth. If I can't, I'll deal with it and move on to the clearing step. I intend to use Tamiya TS-13 clear; any idea on time between coats? Should I use the gas-out time for the base color?