Chariots of Fire

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  • Birthday 05/25/1940

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  • Location West Wareham, MA
  • Full Name Charles L. Rowley

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  1. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    Say hello to Tim for me, will you?  We met years ago at a MassCAR show back about the time he ventured into a new modeling mag called "IN SCALE".  I still have the one and only first issue.
  2. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Chevy Titan 90   

    That's what I was looking for!  Nice build for sure!!
  3. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Chevy Titan 90   

    Looks pretty nice, Ken.  Any front views?
  4. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic 1977 Mack Cruise Liner   

    Nice clean build.  I like it a lot!
  5. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    Browsing through some old S..... A... Mags (that other model mag) I ran across this article in the Model Firehouse section by Tim Bongard.  April 1990 issue #66.
    To bad the photo is so poor but the written part is clear enough.
  6. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    AJ:  Thanks for posting your Detroit Seagrave!   Where did your info come from, Matt Lee's books?  Really nice work!
    David:  that would be an awesome build!  I'm studying the trailer and some of the details I see there.  The trailer I did for my '37 Seagrave is almost identical except for the series of compartments along the sides.  The way the rear fenders and front fenders of the trailer are laid out are exactly the same and the aerial looks similar.  If you ever want to give it a try let me know.  I have photos and dimensions of all that stuff.
  7. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    Hey, Guys.  Anybody else out there have any info about Mike Eisbrenner and his Seagraves?  There must be more examples using his castings.
  8. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    Hey, guys, this is getting a little bit heavy to handle.  I appreciate your kind comments, I really do.  But I want you all to know that if God gave me any talent it was meant as a gift to be shared.  I love modeling and have since I was a young boy but there is joy in sharing it and passing on to others things learned about building models over quite a few years now.
     In and of itself, model building is not very important; in fact in some ways it is a complete waste of the time that we have been given.  But in other ways it is a means of passing on to someone else blessings that have been conveyed upon us.  
    I know of One who in his brief life of 33 years here on earth worked many of those years as a carpenter, a master craftsman and builder who worked with His hands.  I hope many of you know of whom I speak. I know that some of you already do and He can change your life in an instant.  God bless.
  9. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    I'm glad you posted yours, Greg.  It confirms what I remembered that the second edition castings were numbered.  The photoetch "Seagrave" came as a package of three originally and were known as McKeans Miniatures.  There were two larger ones for the sides and a smaller one to use in the grill.  Don Mills picked up the McKeans line years ago including the treadplate that he still sells.  McKeans also produced the American LaFrance script and maltese cross in photoetch.
  10. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    May as well go all the way, eh?  Here are some photos of the second River Edge piece.  This one was done based on Seagrave drawings and some help from the River Edge FD, Co. 2.  When the model was delivered I got to ride the actual truck!  Awesome experience!
    The hood on this one is hinged brass.  Nose is covered in Bare Metal Foil.  The hose body is slightly higher than on the first model and more closely resembles the modifications that River Edge did after a few years on the job.  Initially it had white rims and a standard height body.

    See?  I actually did build two!

    River Edge insisted the model had to have the American flag flying from the radio antenna.  You can see it in the last photo.  With the opening hood I was able to open up the horizontal holes in the hood sides and put a piece of material behind them which is prototypical and a detail I left out of the first two.
     
  11. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    The initial ones were fiberglas I think.  But the second edition ones like the two I built definitely were not.  As far as the builds go they are really no different than working with plastic bodies.  You just have to put a lot more into obtaining all of the other stuff that finally gets it done.  Mike Eisbrenner can be thanked for giving us the opportunity  to turn his castings into models.  Without his efforts there might not have been any.  As I indicated to Danno I think Mike worked for either GM or Ford and was aided at least in the beginning by some of the craftsmen to get his molding started.  Maybe Greg can verify that.  Hope he posts his rig as well!
  12. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Eisbrenner Seagraves   

    I wish I had a complete second edition shell, Jim.  You would really see the difference.  all I have left is the top and rear fenders portion of the casting as I cut the last one I had apart to do the second River Edge piece.  Imagine the shell that you see with the outline of the windshield, windows and wheel openings.  Also the scribing for the hood and doors.  Other than that what you see is what you had to work with.  I used AMT ALF frames under mine, changing the front enough so that it would extend toward the grill.  Even the curved grill trim and front bumper had to come from some other source.
  13. Chariots of Fire added a topic in Under Glass: Big Rigs   

    Eisbrenner Seagraves
    Danno:  Got your message regarding the Anniversary Series Seagraves that Mike Eisbrenner did back in the '80's.  I first met Mike at the Toledo Toy Show back when it was in Toledo at the Civic Center.  I think by then Mike was doing the second series of castings at that time and I remember purchasing one from him along with his pewter Ahrens-Fox piston pump kit.  Along the way I ended up with 2 other second series castings and one of the original "smoothies" as I will call it.  I thought the first one was numbered but it must have been the second series.  It was marked with a felt marker on the inside of the casting as #18.  The numbered one was used on one of the rigs I built.  
    The first castings were smooth on the outside and may have been done as a slush mold judging from the rough quality of the inside of the casting.  You can see that in the photos below.

    No detail whatsoever on the outside so it was up to the builder to mark out the windshield, side windows, scribe the door lines, hood and cut out the wheel well openings.  The back also had to be cut out if the sedan version was going to be built.  Notice also that above the rear fenders there is no hint of the treadplate that Seagrave used.  That came on the updated casting.
    The later castings had raised trim and that shows up on the Detroit Sedan below.  The later castings were also much thicker,  and made of a different material something like alumilite.  When it is sanded little flecks of metal seem to show up.  The resin is also very brittle as was evidenced by one of the castings I obtained.  The corner of the fender had broken off and had to be glued back in place.  The trim lines being raised made it easy to cut out the various openings and get them lined up.  In actuality it may have been more correct to sand off the raised portion after the openings were cut out.  If you compare it to a 1:1 rig you don't see the rubber trim around the windshield.

    In the rear view you can see the Seagrave treadplate that was applied to the top of the rear fender compartments.  I added my own to the side of the running boards and rear step.  If you look closely at the rear view of the Detroit piece you can see how thick the casting was at the sides of the body.  The top has a small lip to it that makes it appear even thicker.  When I did the windows I trimmed them close so I could place them nearer to the outside of the body.  Gluing them directly to the inside of the opening would have been hideous.  Information on how the Detroit sedans looked was obtained from Matthew Lee's books on Seagraves.
    Here is actually the first Seagrave I did using the second series Eisbrenner casting.  This rig I saw for the first time at Croton-On-Hudson, New York at an annual fire muster.  It's a '62 model but contains some details that were not with the original when first delivered to River Edge such as the bright wheel rims, the raised deck gun and higher hose bed.  One of the most fancy Anniversary Seagraves around... and it still is around at River Edge, NJ.

    I ended up doing another model of the River Edge rig and it is still on display at Company 2.  A real class outfit.
    Here is a shot of two models with the original casting in the middle.  Now that I look at it I think Mike made some adjustments in the second series of castings in addition to the raised window outlines.  The unmarked windshield looks high and the corners of the hood appear much sharper. 
    I'm glad I got these when I did and had the chance to build them up.  These were the days of real classic fire apparatus design.  

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  14. Chariots of Fire added a topic in Truck Kits or Parts to Trade, or Wanted / Requests   

    International Workstar 7600 SFA
    I'm thinking of trying my hand at building the nose for a 2010 Workstar and using the Moebius Prostar for the rest of the cab.  But before I begin I was wondering if anyone knows if there is one already done.  Any ideas?
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  15. Chariots of Fire added a post in a topic Dodge L700 updated 6/2   

    You did a good job on this rig!  Not the easiest to put together and have it look right.  So many things that adjusting and tweaking.  I'm with the other guys!  Great work!