The real car belongs to my friend Larry Gardinier, an automotive artist who lives in Marietta, GA and built it from a pretty sad car he picked up from Craigslist. It's named "Beastie" and it's for sale. Pretty cool car!
Works for me. I have a Modelhaus Riviera trying to make a Silver Arrow III out of it. Let's just say that the Modelhaus kit has issues that need to be rectified for replica stock even before making the show car, mostly in the roofline. I spent a good amount of time with it and put it back in the box, a bit frustrated. Both with the model itself, and my slow progress on making improvements for not only the SA III but also to try to make stuff like the glass fit properly whatsoever. Like making channels for the glass to fit from the outside. It's challenging, and I had other things that I preferred to work on, so it sits. A plastic kit that's more accurate and far less expensive would be awesome. Love the boat tail Rivs!
I looked further back in this thread for photos and I'm convinced this is at least a test shot of the real deal. The way the glass fits, the separate headlight lenses, the custom wheels, and far more detail than the very basic resin that was once offered and also in photos further back in this thread.
Separate hood, separate side mirror, separate door handles, separate wipers, very clean chrome, the way the headlights are canted, the arc of the drip rail, modern style molded tires...this is nowhere near the resin Comet that I've seen before and looks just like previous photos of Comet test shots. We'll know soon enough.
Points for a idea. Deduct for the ubiquity of LS conversions in everything Why not siamese a pair of Taurus SHO V6's into it? Just like the real Aston, a Ford-derived V-12 from a copy/paste of V6 architecture. The SHO engine is the smoothest ever even before an extra 6 cylinders. Win! Oh...yeah, that Yamaha thing. It's always something. Carry on...
Tim, I appreciate your feedback and I need to mention that might not be clear in regards to the discussions we've been having since the Camaro appeared is that I have tons of respect for you and all the great models you build and your well-respected and well-earned place in the hobby! No matter what your personal feelings about any model are for whatever reason, that's perfectly fine since there are all kinds of ways that we get enjoyment and/or frustrations from the hobby. Everyone is free to have their opinions, popular or not! Especially if the subject is something that hits close to home, or is near and dear to you. Perhaps that's why I have issue w/Revell's Mustang LX. I owned the real car, and the instant I saw Revell's model it looked "off" in several ways. Really not happy about that one. Glad I have my replica built years ago from 5 different kits. Even though it's not perfect, at least it manages to look like the car w/o instantly making you wince. When it comes to my vision of "Tamiya-like", Moebius isn't there. That's from direct personal building experience. Not that they need to be, either. They're a different animal, and they have a very happy customer base. Their niche is very well taken care of by what they make. Can they be better? Absolutely. Are they trying to improve? Sure seems like it. They're a tiny team, hungry, and have a good presence and "approachability". I bitterly griped about the Ventura w/in my personal local circle of friends, having learned of the difficulties with glass and other fit after I had it all painted. So much of it fell together, but just enough pieces were difficult to assemble, had terrible feed tags causing damage to the parts when removing from the trees, that it's almost unfair to compare it to the trouble-free Tamiya kit that was an utter joy to build from start to finish. The Ventura makes me look bad...it looks good, makes my griping seem like a lie! But it tried my patience. I like solving problems but get lazy sometimes. As for domestic stuff that I think approaches Tamiya-like qualities, Revell often hits reasonably close. That said, it's with the vintage stuff that they seem especially proud of. The '57 Del Rio and the '62 Impala I built, along w/the '32 Ford and Integra, they all exuded a quality that made me think the kit designers loved what they were doing. Sadly that's not the case in the past 2-3 years with domestic subjects. Snap kits with stickers instead of decals, snap kits with no stickers or decals or even headlight detail, and "full detail" kits where the hood opens, a very simplified engine, wire axles and most all the chassis is molded in one piece. That's troubling and anything but Tamiya-like, with no hope in sight that they'll ever do another modern car to a higher level. And yet the Bronco coming out, I can't wait for it to hit my bench.
Garnet Red is a metallic/pearl color. If it's prepainted it has a chance to look good (but I don't expect them to remove mold lines). If molded it will look like every other model car body molded in metallic; swirl marks galore.
Entirely new platform; previous car sourced from Australian GM, which is going away, new platform all-new shared with Cadillac. Why GM made it look so much like the previous is beyond me, and customers are buying more Mustangs and Challengers; the old Camaro even in its last year outsold the all new one...that is not good. GM did not go far enough IMHO to differentiate this all-new Camaro from the previous car.
For sure! Reality is that I'll be we can count on one hand the number of people who would purchase a $72 retail (or $50 discounted) Tamiya kit just for the parts to do that. Remember, model car guys at their core tend to be really, really cheap...myself often included
I grew up in between the rise of both the American and (mostly) Japanese invasion when it comes to cars and models. My Dad had no problem, and enjoyed, going from one extreme to another with cars. '53 Cadillac to Fiat 600. '63 Wildcat to '66 Type 3 Fastback VW. So my model and car interests have always been universal. My first car was a hand-me-down Subaru DL from my Dad, an absolutely miserable car, both unreliable and horrible to drive. My second was an all-new 1980 Civic, which was an engineering miracle by comparison, and ridiculously better in quality and fun-to-drive than any similarly-priced domestic. It embarrassed the competition. It was quick, fun, perfectly screwed-together, and stupid reliable. Short story: Early Japanese kits were more like motorized toys with detailed bodies, where domestic kits were models first, promos were the "toy" element. Over the years, the Japanese upped their game, in models and real cars. And started offering quality and qualities the domestics were lacking. Competition improves the breed... What I've learned is that eventually Tamiya became absolutely top-tier with their models; while they might have been curbside instead of full-detail, or having fewer parts at times vs. full-detail American kits, they ooze quality. The parts are more precisely molded. Far less body prep, far fewer lumpy/wavy surfaces, smaller mold lines, less or non-existent flash, precise parts fit. There's less fuss getting the subject to look right. And if you like the subject matter, icing on the cake. Decals printed with far more precision. Chrome transfer emblems. Sometimes even opening sunroofs. They offered things that we just don't see in domestic kits. Nearly universal love from me from the actual build experience. Other Japanese models followed, but still cannot match the precision of Tamiya in many cases. The ones that do, namely Ebbro, are run by people formerly involved with Tamiya. Fujimi Enthusiast kits...tons of detail, tons of imprecise parts, but most like some of the best vintage domestic kits in the "detail trumps all" mindset. None of the above takes away my enthusiasm for domestic kits (subject matter trumps all as the first consideration), but domestic kits are a different animal. They're built to a different mindset, for generally a different audience, they're not as precise, and often very obvious about being built to a price point as the very first objective. Sure, that extremely detailed engine and engine compartment can look great when finished, but more often than not it's more work with imprecise parts with sloppy mold lines, flash, and sloppy locating pins/receivers. I can live with that for subject matter, but it's pretty disappointing that one company in particular who we all know, is making not some, but all their modern subject kits these days in a far more simplistic manner than vintage subjects (which are getting better and better)...and that really bugs me, because there's no sign they have any intention of reversing the slide, while reminding me that they are doing less...a lot less. Where "full detail" is compromised and we're back to wire axles and a one or two piece chassis so that a very simplified engine, opening hood and lackluster engine compartment are becoming their norm. Maybe the AMT full-detail Camaro will be enough sway in the industry to stop the dumbing-down, but I don't think it will. I find stuff like that far more aggravating than a few missing parts on an otherwise superbly engineered kit. Yet if the subject sways me, I still buy/build. And then I'll build a Tamiya kit to get my perspective and sanity back
Tim, I had any pull with Tamiya at all they'd have done that Lusso years ago... If I ever win the lottery I'll hand them the funds to make it happen. That might be easier than the chore of dealing with Ferrari itself for licensing... In regards to the 300SL engine, I just looked at my kit to see what you describe. While I feel your pain about the two pieces being molded together, I understand why Tamiya did that. That heat shield is a thin stamped piece of steel. If that were molded separately it would be quite a bit out of scale/proportion in thickness, and on a part of the model where you have a tolerance stack issue. I don't have issue at all the way they "solved" it with the thin webs of plastic on the intake on a mass-produced plastic kit. I can deal with that with careful paint detailing, or maybe with a foil impression. What bothers me about the SL is they should have included chrome transfers (or chrome decals, not just silver decals) for the hubcap emblems, and ideally two-piece hubcaps so the painted part is easily separate from the chrome surround. Beyond that, a few interior items like the chrome rail around the luggage compartment is missing. The aftermarket is stepping up thankfully. Oh, and I really hope Tamiya feels fit to make the roadster version of the 300 SL, which I quite a bit more than the gullwing...
Ha, after 6 years people are still griping about the DBS! I'm surprised Hobby Design hasn't filled the void as they've done with other Asian kits that came either with incomplete or engine at all. There's a sliver of a market for Tamiya DBS buyers/builders that would gladly pay the price, because the hobby attracts enough OCD builders that want it all...regardless they're going to have an impressive model at the end of the process. Tamiya listened and learned from the criticism of the DBS and other forays into simplification. The customers have spoken, they pay Tamiya's premium prices and they expect the entire premium Tamiya experience beyond simple subject matter. Done. Since then their full-detail kits are again as complete as expected. Their current kits prove that they know what their customers want and are staying on top of the game-both curbside and full-detail, and in a few instances US prices are lower than expected vs. previous products. There they go, making me respect them even more! Meanwhile I'm working on my vintage Pacer wagon kit that is in no way, shape, or form even remotely "Tamiya-like". I'm disappointed that the well-respected, well-earned term "Tamiya-like" was co-opted in the Camaro box review as a negative; it's completely at odds with my own personal experience building multitudes of Tamiya (among many other) kits. Maybe I'm reading far too much into it, but on the surface it seems unnecessary and somewhat dishonest, given the context and the fact that if Tamiya kitted the DBS today it would be truly full-detail. Tamiya doesn't deserve the swipe IMHO, and the Camaro needs to stand on its own without a hint of artificial support, especially if the intent is to do it at the expense of another manufacturer that doesn't even compete directly. If it's a great kit, the world will know soon enough as they actually get built. And I hopefully will enjoy building the Camaro soon enough