10thumbs Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Hi Joe, I had on a 33 Willys build last year issues with the front of the styrene frame with metal attached to the small skinny styrene frame rails. I changed it out several times. I like your method with metal both sides and bolting through the rails. Looks good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 20, 2015 Author Share Posted October 20, 2015 Ray, Bob & Nikko, thanx for the nice wordage.Hi Joe, I had on a 33 Willys build last year issues with the front of the styrene frame with metal attached to the small skinny styrene frame rails. I changed it out several times. I like your method with metal both sides and bolting through the rails. Looks good!As they say, necessity is somebody's mother. The fun part was making 4 identical brackets.I'm working on the front axle and spindles. Pics soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang1989 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 This is nuts!!! Keep the good work coming Joe!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 This is nuts!!! Keep the good work coming Joe!! Thanx Joe, you're right. It is nuts!!! I'm poking my head in to let y'all know I am working on the front axle and spindles. I'm on my fourth different design and praying that Zap-A-Gap 2 is everything it's cracked up to be, MICHAEL!!!. Hope it works on a load bearing joint. I'll have pics as soon as I have a final setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasser59 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Zap-A-Gap IS everything its cracked up to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thumbs Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It'll work Joe. Brad wouldn't tell us any nonsense. I got on to the stuff from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasser59 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Well, Joe. Did that fourth design work out for you? Dying to see what you come up with.That package went out yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Hi Guys. I'm still working on it. Sad news to report though. I've tried Gorilla CA, Loctite, and Z-A-G. Too bad none of them worked. It took next to zero pressure to pop the connection.I went out this morning and picked up some JB Weld, which I've been wanting to try. I'll let you know the results later, but I'm also going to pin the connection. In other words, I'll be using a larger diameter tube for the spindle bolt, but I'm going to drill a hole in the side of the spindle tube and literally insert a pin through the inside that will insert into the axle. I've already checked to make sure the spindle bolt clears the pin head inside the tube.Pictures will help better than I can explain.Wish me luck..................................where's that stupid mailman? Edited October 26, 2015 by Nytrozilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasser59 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Ah come on Joe (you can always change your name). I've always wanted to say that.Make sure your Z-A-G is fresh. Old stuff just doesn't hold nearly as well. And you're right, pictures will help better explain what you're trying to use words for. Mailman won't probably be delivering your stuff until tomorrow at the earliest. Edited October 26, 2015 by gasser59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedfreak Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Springs look really nice Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thumbs Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I'd like to see a pic of the joint or connection that z-a-g didn't hold.Joe, I lied. My whole Fiat was not soldered but Zapped big time. Maybe though, I could be mistaken, and my stuff was a ultra brand new, with a secret formula.Sorry it didn't work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Brad, thanks a lot boy, just the same. I've always wanted to say that. Thanks Gene & Michael. I'm including a pic of the Z-A-G I got. There's no expiration or "use by" date on it so I don't know how fresh it is. I sniffed it real hard and now I can't find my navel. LOL Here's what I'm trying to accomplish. This will be the front axle. The tubes with the pins in them are what I'm calling the spindle tube that will have a bolt running through. That's why I called it "load bearing" earlier. Also here are some preliminary spindle bracket designs. Please keep in mind this is all preliminary, subject to abuse according to the wrath of the builder. Oh, one last thing Brad. Package received. Now I can honestly tell people if they get help from you, you'll give them sheet. Seriously, THANK YOU TOO MUCH. I'll use the thicker one for the new spindle brackets. NICE!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64SS350 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Can I assume that's aluminum tubing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasser59 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) That progressing but did you ever see my diagram for how I make my straight axles? If not, its in my Fiat and Walt's Puffer threads. If you need explanations of anything, just let me know. Be thrilled to see you make one of these. Its really not that tough, just has many working parts and time consuming. Let me know if you want me to post it here.Also, I don't use flat aluminum to make my knuckles, I use rectangular tubing cut to shape. Much stronger and a bit thicker. Edited October 27, 2015 by gasser59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Yes, it is aluminum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64SS350 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would try either the JB weld or some 5 minute epoxy, also fill the tube with a solid material with a press fit, something for the pin to hold onto.More extensively, there are materials available to solder aluminum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Thanks Karl. I'll be using the JB on this attempt. I have high hopes. I do have an Evergreen tube inside the axle. That's why the pin is so small.I do want to point out that in my testing, the Z A G did the best job of holding and I'd feel comfortable using it in this reinforced configuration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneyzs Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Joe... I would suggest using some Kicker with the Zap A Gap. Just make sure you have in the correct spot because the kicker will dry the zap a gap as soon as it hits it. I use it when I use zap a gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Copy that Big Buddy. Silly thing is, I use a kicker every time on plastic. Never hit me to use it this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thumbs Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Joe, what's a kicker?Maybe an additive of sorts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneyzs Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Kicker is CA Accelerator which speeds up the CA dry time. Usually it will set it in seconds. You put your super glue on the part and add a drop or two of kicker on it and it sets the super glue. Edited October 27, 2015 by Mooneyzs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasser59 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Hey joe. Here's my diagram for how I build my aluminum straight axles. The steering arms engineering has changed since I drew this but you'll get the idea on the axle. Hope I'm not too late brother. Let me know if you have any questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thumbs Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I can attest to the great effort that Brad made here. I've used this plan for the last 3 builds.I even glued the front wheels on the axle once. With Z-A-G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nytrozilla Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Kicker is CA Accelerator which speeds up the CA dry time. Usually it will set it in seconds. You put your super glue on the part and add a drop or two of kicker on it and it sets the super glue. I've been using a spray kicker. I take it that might be overkill? It evaporates quickly, but is it putting down too much product Chris? Brad, you're not too late and are you available for adoption? You know where I am. You can move in at your convenience. Those plans rock. I love the idea of using vinyl tubing. I'm busy tonite, but I'll be back all over this thang tomorrow armed with the best info my friends can give me. You All Rock!!!!!!!! Here's the kicker I use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codi Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Just be sure you're wearing a mask Joe when using that stuff for all but a moment or so. It's nasty stuff and not good for the brain or nose membrane. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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