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And apparently no common sense either. Why move a team to a town where there is - 

1. Already an NFL team, who can't fill their stadium either.

2. To a town with a large Raider fanbase who are division rivals.

The owner "might" get his new stadium but he should be concerned whether or not there are enough fans willing to fill it.

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Fudge...The owner of the Cincinnati Bengals threatened to move the team to LA if the taxpayers didn't pay for the new stadium.  They caved (I can say they as I didn't vote for it).  The owner said they needed it to be competitive.  Another losing season and still haven't canned the coach after going 0-7 in the playoffs.

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Fudge...The owner of the Cincinnati Bengals threatened to move the team to LA if the taxpayers didn't pay for the new stadium.  They caved (I can say they as I didn't vote for it).  The owner said they needed it to be competitive.  Another losing season and still haven't canned the coach after going 0-7 in the playoffs.

Not competitive as in "on the field", but rather competitive as in the potential selling price of the team relative to other teams.

Now that LA has two teams, which city will be the next boogeyman (the place they mention for a potential move next time someone wants a new stadium)?

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I personally do not believe that any city, county or state should subsidize a sports team that pulls in millions of dollars and only provides free tickets to who ever approved the whole fiasco. This puts an unfair tax burden on the citizens of the area. These franchises generate an ungodly amount of revenue on their own without any help from the municipalities involved. I understand pride in your Baseball team (Royals) and Football teams (Chiefs) but I think this tax thing is just out of control. Locally the KCMO teams have even asked the people of Kansas to help subsidize their stadium. Is $40 to $50 seem a bit much to park your car ? The local NASCAR track at Kansas Speedway lets you park for free. If they need a loan to get things started we have banks and private lenders for that. The cost of running any government should be shared by and for the citizens, and  any type of business should pay their fare share with no special exceptions just like every other citizen.    

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This has got to be one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen.  Spanos has been threatening this for 15 years and thank god the city never caved.  Last time the Chargers were any good, they got a ticket sales guarantee from the city and then went on to be a mediocre team in the best of years.  They are the only business that seems to feel that they can sponge off of the local tax payers for huge profits.  Had the Chargers fielded a decent team they might have had some bargaining leverage but they only made the playoffs once in the last 8 years.  The last couple of seasons they haven't even won 1/3rd of their games and over the last 10 years have just barely eked out winning more than half of their games.  Can you imagine going to your boss and demanding a raise with the argument, "I did my job half of the time!"  Oh and by the way, they have only made it to the super bowl once in their history and lost that.  Great product!

No, it's ok to go to LA and compete for the market with another loosing team in the same stadium.  Yea, great decision.  We won't miss them.  Go and don't expect a following from San Diego.  We ain't driving up to see your crappy team loose any more. 

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Now that LA has two teams, which city will be the next boogeyman (the place they mention for a potential move next time someone wants a new stadium)?

The most mentioned city for possible relocation of teams in all sports is Las Vegas, especially now that they have an NHL expansion team starting next season.

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I personally do not believe that any city, county or state should subsidize a sports team that pulls in millions of dollars and only provides free tickets to who ever approved the whole fiasco. This puts an unfair tax burden on the citizens of the area. These franchises generate an ungodly amount of revenue on their own without any help from the municipalities involved. I understand pride in your Baseball team (Royals) and Football teams (Chiefs) but I think this tax thing is just out of control. Locally the KCMO teams have even asked the people of Kansas to help subsidize their stadium. Is $40 to $50 seem a bit much to park your car ? The local NASCAR track at Kansas Speedway lets you park for free. If they need a loan to get things started we have banks and private lenders for that. The cost of running any government should be shared by and for the citizens, and  any type of business should pay their fare share with no special exceptions just like every other citizen.    

I believe this 100%! The city never makes the money back in tax revenue and jobs but everybody acts like it's essential to hold on to the team. The owners get the breaks and never have use their own revenue for a stadium. The Chargers are going to play in a 27,000 seat soccer stadium which they probably won't sell out. Then LA is going to build them a new stadium? I would not be a happy LA taxpayer.

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And apparently no common sense either. Why move a team to a town where there is - 

1. Already an NFL team, who can't fill their stadium either.

2. To a town with a large Raider fanbase who are division rivals.

The owner "might" get his new stadium but he should be concerned whether or not there are enough fans willing to fill it.

I can't understand why the Rams went back after leaving because the city would not support them. They had a good dome to play in. Now you have two teams in L.A. and which is almost bankrupt with 2 teams. I bet in time they move again because of support. 

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Raiders to file for Las Vegas move

OAKLAND, CA - DECEMBER 24:  Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis stands on the field prior to their NFL game against the Indianapolis Colts at Oakland Alameda Coliseum on December 24, 2016 in Oakland, California.  (Photo by Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images)Getty Images

One of the strangest weeks in league history also wasn’t very surprising.

With no viable stadium plans in their current towns, the Chargers and Raiders have each taken the available steps to move. For one franchise, it was automatic; for the other, most boxes need to be checked.

As widely expected over the course of the past several months, NFL Media has reported (i.e., the NFL has announced) that the Raiders will file a request for relocation from Oakland to Las Vegas. If 23 of the 31 other franchises approve of the move, the Las Vegas Raiders eventually will be born.

According to the Bay Area News Group, Sands casino owner Sheldon Adelson still may not be involved in the birth. Goldman Sachs will bridge the gap between team, league, and taxpayer commitment and the expected cost of a $1.9 billion stadium in Las Vegas, if a deal can’t be struck with Adelson, who has been driving a hard bargain with Raiders owner Mark Davis for weeks.

Last year, lawmakers in Nevada approved $750 million for the project. The enormous contribution of public money will make it difficult if not impossible for the league to embrace a city that, for decades, it had shunned.

The requirement of 24 votes to approve the move means that only nine teams can come together and kill it. There’s currently no momentum among the owners, however, to build a coalition large enough to block the move — especially since any effort to do so could spark another round of antitrust litigation with the team that successfully won a legal battle when the league tried to block its move to Los Angeles more than 30 years ago.

As some have suggested, the move to Las Vegas could reinforce the status of the Raiders as the most popular team in Los Angeles, even though the Rams and Chargers are both headquartered there.

 

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I believe the NFL was granted some special tax status back in the 60's that makes them even greedier when it comes to reaping piles of money from taxpayers. As if that wasn't bad enough, one almost has to take out a home equity loan to go to a game! These teams and their greed will soon price themselves out of reach for the average fan.

Here in Charlotte, a new arena was built even though the taxpayers voted against it because the one that we already had was not that old and was in a great location. City leaders decided they knew what was best and we HAD to have one in the center of the city instead of out next to the interstate. And after just 8 or 9 years, the basketball team said it needed improvements to the stadium "to remain competitive and land the All Star game". So the city caved and then the state passed a controversial bill that was viewed as discriminatory against LGBT groups and the NBA decided to withdraw the All Star game! The taxpayers got played and stuck with the bill.

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I don't think Las Vegas is going to be a good NFL city. The Raiders will eventually be moving back to Oakland and into a new stadium. My guess is that this will last 10-15 years at best. This is all about money, of course.

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I stopped following when my team, the Rams left LA.

I don't see why I have to fit the bill for a stadium I will never go to or a game I will never watch.  Yet another reason to leave California.

I'm sure you all heard that California will now tax cow farts.  The lunacy never ends.

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I stopped following when my team, the Rams left LA.

I don't see why I have to fit the bill for a stadium I will never go to or a game I will never watch.  Yet another reason to leave California.

I'm sure you all heard that California will now tax cow farts.  The lunacy never ends.

That is why San Diegians said hell no!  I have been to maybe 3 Chargers game in the 27 years I have been here and one of those was because my son got free tickets that were given away when the city made a dumb deal to guarantee ticket sales and got stuck with thousands of tickets as a result of government stupidity.  There is no reason for public funding for a pro-sports team unless they actually share revenues.  A city is not defied by it's sports teams.  If they can come here and make a business work, then fine, but they are not a public entity.  Go Chargers!  No, seriously, go, go to LA.  See if they buy your mediocre to lousy product!

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It doesn't matter what franchise moves to Vegas, it could be an expansion team and it will make money, lots of money. Lets say Dallas is in Vegas for a Sunday night game. Every hotel in town will run a special football rate for the weekend just to get Cowboy fans into the casinos starting on the Friday prior to the game. The sports bars and cafes will be overflowing with football fans all weekend long. Doesn't matter who the visiting teams is, Giants, Cardinals, Browns, good teams or lousy teams will bring in their fans just because it's in Vegas. People want to get away from the snow and cold come winter time and Vegas is the perfect playground for them. It's a win win situation for the hotels, casinos, teams involved and especially the NFL.

I think that will be true early on, but will diminish as time goes by. The home team will need to depend on this scenario to continue if they want to remain in Vegas. The stands will also be filled with visiting team fans. That is not an ideal situation for long term success. All this is made easier if the Raiders continue to win. If they go back to losing, the city's love affair with the new team will quickly pass.

Teams changing cities always provide immediate financial gains to the new city.

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That is why San Diegians said hell no!  I have been to maybe 3 Chargers game in the 27 years I have been here and one of those was because my son got free tickets that were given away when the city made a dumb deal to guarantee ticket sales and got stuck with thousands of tickets as a result of government stupidity.  There is no reason for public funding for a pro-sports team unless they actually share revenues.  A city is not defied by it's sports teams.  If they can come here and make a business work, then fine, but they are not a public entity.  Go Chargers!  No, seriously, go, go to LA.  See if they buy your mediocre to lousy product!

Well, we still gotta pay for cow farts now.

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