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Moebius F-100 issues

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I have built 2 Moebius F-100 kit, both have had warped hoods. Anyone else have this problem? or other issues with these kits?

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Al,

If you go to the truck section, I think some of the early builds of this kit when it first came out a couple of years ago referenced issues with ill fitting hoods. I have not opened newer issues of the kit to see if the problem is still there, but would hope that they had fixed it if they knew about it.

Have you contacted Moebius about the issue? 

I know when the kits were first being brought to market there was a lot of discussion about problems with the kits but I thought much of that had been fixed.

 

 

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I've only built the 71. The hood was very warped. The cab roof was a bird bath. I tried hot water, but couldn't get it out. In a last ditch effort, I turned a stove top burner on high and held the hood over the heat. I was able to get the warp out of the hood, and remove the dish from the top of the cab with no other damage. If you try this, be careful, the plastic will get soft quickly.

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My first-run Moebius/Model King F100 had terrible warping (hood, body, bed, bed sides, chassis), in addition to a very grainy surface to all the exterior (since fixed by Moebius). I traded my kit to a friend, who obtained a replacement...which was just as warped. The reason it's an issue is the plastic pieces are still warm/pliable when they're packaged (also an issue with other manufacturers). Since Moebius kits tend to be packed pretty tight inside the boxes, it's a common issue. Some kits are fine, others are rendered nearly useless. I would assume at this point that enough complaints and replacement parts requested have forced Moebius to make sure the manufacturer handles the product with more care between molding and packaging. I had no warp issues w/my Ventura or Comet.

In addition to warpage, I never replaced my F100 kit or got any of the other releases because of design issues with the roof and grille. The roof angle is wrong, there's not quite enough crown in the roof itself, it looks slightly squashed and tilted towards the front, and the headlight bezels are so oversize it affects the spacing of the grill openings. At this point if I built one I'd have to fix it, and honestly I've decided it's not worth the hassle for the subject...it's not exactly holy-grail territory and I've got plenty of other models that are. I have seen a bunch of really nice ones built, so the kits are popular. The Ventura was a personal grail, so I dealt with that kit's particular foibles as it was worth it to me, and I'd gladly build another.

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Al,

If you go to the truck section, I think some of the early builds of this kit when it first came out a couple of years ago referenced issues with ill fitting hoods. I have not opened newer issues of the kit to see if the problem is still there, but would hope that they had fixed it if they knew about it.

Have you contacted Moebius about the issue? 

I know when the kits were first being brought to market there was a lot of discussion about problems with the kits but I thought much of that had been fixed.

 

 

I contacted Moebius today, waiting for reply

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In addition to warpage, I never replaced my F100 kit or got any of the other releases because of design issues with the roof and grille. The roof angle is wrong, there's not quite enough crown in the roof itself, it looks slightly squashed and tilted towards the front, and the headlight bezels are so oversize it affects the spacing of the grill openings. At this point if I built one I'd have to fix it, and honestly I've decided it's not worth the hassle for the subject...it's not exactly holy-grail territory and I've got plenty of other models that are. I have seen a bunch of really nice ones built, so the kits are popular. The Ventura was a personal grail, so I dealt with that kit's particular foibles as it was worth it to me, and I'd gladly build another.

Bob, I have a fix in mind for that roof on the F-100 as I too thought the crown of it wasn't quite right, as well as a wonky header. The door frames bug me too------something about the radii in the corners is off to my eyes.

Alas, too many projects in mind, and not enough hours in the day. :blink:

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Ive only built the 72 with no problems except the huge headlight trim

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I contacted Moebius today, waiting for reply

Please keep us informed as to how Moebius handles this. I have two unopened kits - now I am afraid to look at them.. both were gifts so I do not have a sales receipt .. guess I'll crack the cellophane tomorrow and see what I have. They REALLY need to start manufacturing their kits back on this side of the Pacific..

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My '69 shortbed has a warped hood, the '71 is not as bad but still doesn't fit properly. Moebius '65 Plymouth has a noticeably warped body, so from my experience some warpage is to be expected with their kits.  As mentioned above, the grilles are all wrong because of the oversized headlight surrounds.

Aside from those problems, the chassis and FE engines appear to be mostly cribbed from the '70s AMT pickups.  The front suspension attachment is completely wrong, having the radius arms mounted outside the frame rather than underneath, and the twin axle beams are far too short - they should also mount under the frame rails, not part way along the cross member.  I reworked mine to look more a bit more prototypical.  I could have done more - that huge kink in the driver's side beam is still wrong, but by that point I was questioning why I was spending so much time on this...

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Edited by dodgefever

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I have a 71 Ranger, warped hood, & tailgate, why do I keep buying these? Hope the 65-66 Effies are better.........

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This afternoon I took a few rough measurements from my 1:1 truck and attempted to attach them to a picture I found. I'm hoping this will be a help to those interested in attempting to correct some of the roof/window shape issues on these scale truck cabs. Unfortunately, some of this involves serious reshaping skills and may not be for everyone.

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Correcting the window opening will involve removing the rear half of the rain gutter, tightening the upper radius and adding material to the forward edge of the back of the window opening, rescribing the door opening line and adding new rain gutter- without the curved bottom. The horizontal line at the top of the C pillar measures 9" from rear to door opening.

Turns out that the C pillars, behind the door windows, actually slope inward from behind the vertical rain gutters toward the back window. This makes the upper rear corner-to-corner outer measurement on the back of the moeb cab almost five inches too wide :blink: ..and the base almost two inches too wide. Now we're entering the realm of back window size issues as well. The height is okay but the window is too wide.

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...And we haven't even addressed the lack of roof crown yet  :P

Some serious issues and disappointment with a recent 'new technology' tool, but please note this information is not being shared to elicit negative comments or as an attack on persons or motives. Strictly commentary on how to correct or improve a product if one so desires.

More to follow...

 

mike

Edited by mk11

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Another shape issue obvious on these is the lack of the subtle bodyside curve-under (aka 'tumblehome'). Here's a pic showing a comparison between the AMT F350 and moeb cabs. The 1:1 cabs are fairly close in shape here and in roof crown.

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Fortunately, this is a fairly straightforward fix that will help the overall appearance slightly. I've found this styrene very tough to work with and it needs very warm water to reshape it.  A wedge cut partly up the back wall on each side will aid in the process.

Here's another pic showing the moeb and R&R resin cabs contrasted. Though the resin cab is actually only about a 'half-way' conversion (lacking properly shaped wheel and windshield openings and rear cab roof), it does seem to capture a subtle appeal missing from the newly minted styrene cab. Also pictured is a built up R&R example.

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mike

Edited by mk11

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Mike, that's an interesting observation about the tumblehome on the lower sides. I hadn't paid attention to that until you pointed it out.

By biggest beef about this truck is the waaaay too flat roof. Almost to the point that I notice a subtle "dip" in the center of the roof when looking at it head on. My fix would be to totally cut the roof top off at the seam starting behind the roof pillar, and then cutting along the drip rails. I'd raise the roof roughly a scale inch or so, and then fill everything back in with plastic and careful sanding. This would leave the windshield intact as that's to mount from the outside, but would give the cab an acceptable roof crown and not so flat looking from all sides. Some "flexing" and "bending" of the cut roof section I'd do also to the cut-away roof to give the peak of the roofline more "crown" to it.

Just my 2¢ worth! ;)

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Good thoughts on the roof crown, Bill. I'm coming at it from another angle that's kinda similar. I 'scalped' one of my old F350 cabs to get the upper roof panel as it seems to have more of a correct contour and will try to graft it on the new cab. Another added chore will involve horizontally sectioning the back window area as it is too wide. The windshield has been installed to keep the front dimensions in place during the process. Hope I can get it out in one piece before painting ^_^

 

mike

 

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I've got several of those kits but admittedly, I have not broken the plastic on any of them yet. However, I did run into some body warpage issues on their '65 Plymouth Satellite and they were literally NO help when I got a hold of them.

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