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'26/'27 turtle deck T hot rod kits requested

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Thanks for the clarification, I did do some research after I posted (yeah I know that I did it dead backwards) and did see that the Ala-Kart used the "baby Hemi" 241c.i. engine and it is smaller BUT not as small as the new kit would lead us to believe. Maybe they were confused and someone provided one of the REALLY little Daimler Hemi's for them to measure. If that's the case then it's out of scale again, but this time it's a bit on the large size. (Would be nice to have one of the Daimler engines in scale to put in one of the Revell Midget kits)

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On 11/11/2017 at 12:48 AM, Richard Bartrop said:

Ideally an option for a stock 26-27 roadster would be nice, but something tat builds up into a traditional style roadster would still be very welcome.  Options for Deuce and track roadster fronts would certainly work, as would a nice set of Kelsey-Hayes wire wheels.  Now injection moulded wired wheels don't always look that great.  but I thought Jo-han had a great solution for that.  If you look at their Gold Cup classics, the spokes have a rectangular cross section that looks close to scale thickness when viewed n the finished model, but there's still enough plastic to do the job.   Photo-etch spokes are certainly an option, especially with the premium prices that modelers are increasingly expected to pay.

 

 

 

I am finishing a complete set of stock 26-7 Ts now. Its a big project but can be done. It is currently up under the heading assembly line Fords on the workbench. 

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On 11/11/2017 at 9:32 AM, tim boyd said:

If done correctly (e.g. original OEM parts breakdown) this could be done both as a '26/'27 turtledeck and as a '26/'27 roadster pickup kit.  That's one of the angles I've been pushing....

TIM

 

Simple as pie!   On all Model T Fords, the "turtle deck"  (trunk, actually) was never part of the roadster body, but rather a bolted on unit.  Remove that, bolt in place the pickup box--and PRESTO, a Model T Ford Roadster Pickup!  That is exactly what Ford did, when in 1925, they became the very first automaker to mass-produce a pickup truck, and the assembly sequence stayed the same for 1926-27.   Now, I may have written about this one before!  The early AMT "Sell Sheet" showing a '27 T/XR-6 Trophy Series kit, SHOWED a stock '27 Roadster, but that was quickly changed, to show the  Touring Car.  

Even though the Roadster and Roadster pickup '27 T was never done by AMT--it's not rocket science to make one.  For 1926, Ford's roadster was very simply, just the front half of the touring car body--which can easily be done using the back panel of the front seat of the Touring, and cutting away the rear portion of the Touring body as you can see in this picture.  That is a stalled project from about 10 yrs ago or so, for a "bob-tailed" '27 T hot rod.  For the pickup box, simply use the box from the AMT '25 T Double Kit, which is still about as plentiful as popcorn.

ARt

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5 hours ago, Art Anderson said:

Simple as pie!   On all Model T Fords, the "turtle deck"  (trunk, actually) was never part of the roadster body, but rather a bolted on unit.  Remove that, bolt in place the pickup box--and PRESTO, a Model T Ford Roadster Pickup!  That is exactly what Ford did, when in 1925, they became the very first automaker to mass-produce a pickup truck, and the assembly sequence stayed the same for 1926-27.   Now, I may have written about this one before!  The early AMT "Sell Sheet" showing a '27 T/XR-6 Trophy Series kit, SHOWED a stock '27 Roadster, but that was quickly changed, to show the  Touring Car.  

Even though the Roadster and Roadster pickup '27 T was never done by AMT--it's not rocket science to make one.  For 1926, Ford's roadster was very simply, just the front half of the touring car body...

ARt

 

Your text implies that a roadster cab is just the front half of touring. Very misleading. The roadster cab has specific quarter panels and rear panel that are nothing like the touring body pieces. Cowl and doors are the same and that's where it ends.

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2 hours ago, Dennis Lacy said:

Your text implies that a roadster cab is just the front half of touring. Very misleading. The roadster cab has specific quarter panels and rear panel that are nothing like the touring body pieces. Cowl and doors are the same and that's where it ends.

You are absolutely right.  The bodies are the same from the front doors forward but are completely different in the seat areas on back. Actually the Runabout  (Ford didn't call it a Roadster, unless it was a Roadster Pickup) has quite a bit more room than a Touring.

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13 hours ago, Dennis Lacy said:

Your text implies that a roadster cab is just the front half of touring. Very misleading. The roadster cab has specific quarter panels and rear panel that are nothing like the touring body pieces. Cowl and doors are the same and that's where it ends.

Dennis, I agree, that's what my research shows as well. 

As for the roadster cab itself, that portion IS shared between the Turtledeck and the Pickup body styles - only the rear clips are different.  This is what makes a model kit offering both versions such a viable possibility.   The Touring body, as you say, is completely different starting at the rear edge of the front door to all the way back from there.    

BTW, I also have a "bobbed" (for lack of a better word) '27 T Touring project underway - first constructed about 15 years ago, that appears largely similar to Art's image, except that it does not have the "dog legs" at the bottom of the rear quarter as shown in Art's pic.  (Art, I'd love to see you finish your project!)   I made mine from the front half of the AMT Touring kit body, along with a rear piece that is the kit's front bench seat back panel, slightly widened.  In real life these "shorty" T's were nothing more than the front half of the touring body, including the front seatback which was a sheet metal part.  

TIM 

 

 

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Here is the basic problem. Having had a few of these apart in 1:1 scale you need the bottom part of the Runabout body all the way back and bolt either the turtle deck or the pickup box to that. Here is how it looks done. Again, I used a Flintstone resin as my basis. 

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