gasman Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I want to convert the recently reissued AMT Chevy Monza to a 75 Buick Skyhawk, the only real difference is the engine, would the Dauntless V6 in the recently reissued Jeep Commando be correct for this car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, gasman said: I want to convert the recently reissued AMT Chevy Monza to a 75 Buick Skyhawk, the only real difference is the engine, would the Dauntless V6 in the recently reissued Jeep Commando be correct for this car? Yes, that same block/engine design became the 3.8L/3800 V6 as we know it. You'd need a different 2WD transmission, though, and not sure if the exhaust manifolds would work in the H-body Skyhawk chassis, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMCMAN52 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) What about the Buick Grand national kit that has the V6 motor and trans setup Edited February 27, 2018 by GMCMAN52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul alflen Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 CASEY, IS NOT THE 3800 V-6 A SHORTENED VERSION OF THE 350 V-8?? THE JEEP COMMANDER V-6 WAS OUT BEFORE THIS ENGINE WAS ENGINEERED I THINK!! GUYS , HELP ME OUT HERE!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHSS Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Paul, your thinking of the chevy 229. It's a small block with the front 2 cylinders chopped off. It's actually a 305 minus 2 cylinders. The Buick v6 is a Buick design. The distributor is the easy way to tell them apart. The chevy has the dizzy in the back like a regular sbc. While the Buick has the dizzy on the front of the motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, paul alflen said: CASEY, IS NOT THE 3800 V-6 A SHORTENED VERSION OF THE 350 V-8?? THE JEEP COMMANDER V-6 WAS OUT BEFORE THIS ENGINE WAS ENGINEERED I THINK!! GUYS , HELP ME OUT HERE!!!!!!! It's really more a Buick 340 V8 (which is a cast iron derivative of the aluminum 215) with two cylinders cut off, but that's still not the right way to think of it. The Buick aluminum 215 V8 was replaced with a cast iron engine built on the same architecture, and the 3200/3700/3800 family was developed from that. It was introduced in 1962 in a 3200cc displacement (198 cu.in.). The 3800 family, though a very popular engine, is unusual in that it has 90 degrees between cylinder banks, where most 6-cylinder V engines have 60 degrees between banks. It was done that way so that production machining of the blocks could be done on the same tooling as Buick's V8 engines. But the 90 degree configuration used in a V6 results in uneven firing impulses, which makes the engine seem rough-running. Jeep began using the engine in 1965 (Jeep eventually bought the tooling in 1967) with a very heavy flywheel to dampen out the odd-fire vibrations. That was addressed by GM in 1977 (GM bought the tooling back from Jeep in 1974) by replacing the crankshaft with one that incorporated "split" con-rod journals, resulting in an "even fire" engine. Edited February 28, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highway Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I don't know if it would be a viable option or not, but Monogram's El Camino and also I think the Revell (pre Revell/Monogram merger days) El Camino like in the Bass Busters set have GM V6s in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espo Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think GMCMAN 52's idea would be the best and most accurate for the 3.8 liter Buick engine. You would want to change to a Carburetor instead of the Turbo, or a Turbo could be fun also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highway Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, espo said: I think GMCMAN 52's idea would be the best and most accurate for the 3.8 liter Buick engine. You would want to change to a Carburetor instead of the Turbo, or a Turbo could be fun also. The only reason I suggested the ones from the El Camino is that they are already set up for a carburetor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espo Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, highway said: The only reason I suggested the ones from the El Camino is that they are already set up for a carburetor. I hadn't thought of those but it sounds like a good idea. It might just depend on what can be found and what it would cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinfan5 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, espo said: I hadn't thought of those but it sounds like a good idea. It might just depend on what can be found and what it would cost. Both can be found, but both have price tags to go with them The cheapest El Camino kit Highway is talking about is $32BIN or $19 opening bid plus shipping THe cheapest Buick Grand Nat kit is $22 plus shipping Are the only Buick V6 options in 1/24th scale?, I need a Buick V6 for the 83-85 Cutlass, but that is 1/25th. Edited February 27, 2018 by martinfan5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Can-Con Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 This has the V6 in 1/25 but also comes with a high[ish] price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972coronet Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Doesn't the recent-ish reissued Opal have a Buick V6 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, 1972coronet said: Doesn't the recent-ish reissued Opal have a Buick V6 ? It certainly has SOME kind of V6...but the illustration of the "race" version lacks the front distributor...and it's hard to tell about the center one. Edited February 28, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972coronet Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said: It certainly has SOME kind of V6... I seem to recall that Tim Boyd stated -- in some 1988 issue of SAE -- that (to paraphrase) "The V6 from the AMT Opel was used [ for this (c.1932) Ford (pickup) that I built _______ years ago ] ..." The image on the box looks like a 231 ( ad / sub seq. ) engine . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afx Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, martinfan5 said: Are the only Buick V6 options in 1/24th scale?, I need a Buick V6 for the 83-85 Cutlass, but that is 1/25th. Don't reject out right a 1/24 scale engine for your 1/25 scale build. I've used a few in past 1/25 scale builds, if they pass the eyeball test. Edited February 28, 2018 by afx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinfan5 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, afx said: Don't reject out right a 1/24 scale engine for your 1/25 scale build. I've used a few in past 1/25 scale builds, if they pass the eyeball test. Of course not, I was not out right rejecting, I do know it sounded like that Edited February 28, 2018 by martinfan5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: It certainly has SOME kind of V6...but the illustration of the "race" version lacks the front distributor...and it's hard to tell about the center one. The AMT opel GT's Buick V6 is garbage. Completely smooth and block cylinder heads and block (much like the AMT Gremlin's engine)...I would find something else: Edited February 28, 2018 by Casey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'd go with the Jeepster V6 as it has the stock "stamped sheet metal" valve covers. The long block is pretty decent too. You'll have to scour the parts box for things like the correct air filter (maybe the V8 piece is close enough?). I'd guess that the Jeepster exhaust manifolds are specific to Jeep applications, and you'll probably end up scratching or adapting something for those. I'm not 100% positive, but I think the V6 in the Monogram El Camino kit is a Chevy and not a Buick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just remember that the exhaust port spacing isn't equal...rather it's kinda like a nailhead Buick with one runner cut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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