LDO Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Griffon?!! Wow. Too bad it's crude. I would love to have a Griffon or two. That would make a wild pulling tractor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Speaking of Griffons, there were both short-nosed and long-nosed Griffon Spits. The short ones were the MK XII and the Seafire XV and XVII; the long-nose ones were the MK XIV, 18, PR19, and all those thereafter. (I believe they went from Roman to Arabic number with the 18.) The MK XVI was the highest number with the Merlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) The Griffon was developed from the Schnider Trophy air racing "R" engine wich in turn was developed from the Buzzard and it has 10 litres larger displacement than the Merlin at 36,7 litres. I talked with a pilot some years ago who flew Merlin powered P51 D Mustang registration SE-BIL and Spitfire Mk XVI registration SE-BIN for the Swedish company Biltema, they also had a Griffon Spitfire Mk XVIII registration SE-BIR at the time, he flew all of them and I asked wich one he prefered to fly, he said the Spitfire Mk XVI was most fun, the Mustang P51 D was comfortable and easy to fly, and the Griffon Spitfire Mk XVIII was a beast as it was nose heavy and the Griffon rotates the opposite way from the Merlin so it was harder to fly. Unfortunately about a month later that same pilot crashed with the Griffon Spit in Tynset Norway and lost his life, the Mk XVIII is repaired and sold and is now in England with registration G-BUOS. The other two are still in Biltema ownership and flies at airshows around Europe. Edited March 12, 2018 by Force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike999 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Just as a heads-up, the latest issue of "Air Classics" magazine has several articles related to this thread. For one thing, it has Part Four of the magazine's series on the Schneider Air Races. This is the March 2018 issue, with the Grumman JF-2 Duck on the cover. Twelve cylinders not enough for you? There's a photo of a P-47 being fitted with Chrysler's experimental V-16 IV-2220 monster engine. Also a mention of a Hemi V-12, the Continental I-1430 Hyper engine. It was an inverted V-12 featuring "cylinders with hemispherical combustion chambers using sodium-filled exhaust valves." Continental built 23 of them, and one was tested in the Lockheed XP-49. This issue also has articles on a couple of famous flops: the hapless Brewster Buccaneer/Bermuda dive bomber and the YB-60 bomber, a B-36 with swept wings and 8 jet engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/10/2018 at 10:00 AM, LDO said: I may have an extra Merlin from the old Airfix P-51D. We can talk trade if you want. No need for PM. I would be looking for a complete car model. Probably an AMT Phantom Vicky or Revell '29 or '32 Ford. I am back home now, and I do have some '32s .........but they are built. If one of those doesn't catch it, by all means proceed with Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDO Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'll pass on those. Really not into those body styles/lookingbfor something inbuilt. Thanks for checking, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 3:36 AM, 1930fordpickup said: Is there a De Haviland Beaver or an Otter in 1/25 or 1/24 scale? On 3/11/2018 at 9:06 AM, Snake45 said: There used to be a big, simple 1/24 Beaver offered as a sort of promotional item by somebody--might have been a whiskey distiller. I've never seen one in person; I think I've seen one built up in FineScale modeler or someplace... You guys are killing me. Found one, figgered it would probably be the only one I'd ever see, so I kinda let it follow me home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1930fordpickup Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: You guys are killing me. Found one, figgered it would probably be the only one I'd ever see, so I kinda let it follow me home. Been /rode in a few of them, what a ride the first time you land in the water while sitting up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynlo Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I built one of these adding clear windows and an iterior. Makes for a passable display model and there are endless examples of civil and military paint schemes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 There is one on eBay but at $50 CAD, I don't think I want one that badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Revell did some 1/28 WW1 aircraft. The Fokker DR1 triplane and Sopwith Camel have a rotary engines (spinny round radial style, not Wankel), don't know the quality of detail. They also did some with inline engines but don't know if those included engine detail or not. I wouldn't be surprised if there is aftermarket for them though. A little small for 1/24 but probably would pass the scrutiny of most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike999 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Tom's Modelworks does some photo-etched parts for those 1/28 scale Revell kits: guns, interior sets, wire wheels etc. Some car builders have used those wheels on 1/25 scale dragsters and motorcycles. http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22_31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impalow Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Related.. yet unrelated... Franklin O-200 air cooled flat 4.....anyone ever see one of these kitted in 1/24? or something close? Looking for one of these for an upcoming project... figure I most likely will end up scratch building it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Impalow said: Related.. yet unrelated... Franklin O-200 air cooled flat 4.....anyone ever see one of these kitted in 1/24? or something close? Looking for one of these for an upcoming project... figure I most likely will end up scratch building it... Maybe one of the Revell or Academy 1/32-1/35 H-13 kits? I'm not sure which engine they have in the kit or the quality but the Bell 47 / H-13 used a variety of 4 and 6 cylinder Franklin and Lycoming engines generally in the 335-435 cid range. The most common kits are later H-13H models which would have had a 6 cylinder Lycoming VO-435. There are some boxed as the earlier H-13D model which should have a 6 cylinder Franklin O-335, but I don't know if they are really different or just the same kit re-boxed. When you factor in the scale difference it might get you close enough for a decent starting point. I've seen some of these kits built with detailed engines, but not sure how much work was required from the builder to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake45 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/11/2018 at 4:19 PM, Impalow said: Related.. yet unrelated... Franklin O-200 air cooled flat 4.....anyone ever see one of these kitted in 1/24? or something close? Looking for one of these for an upcoming project... figure I most likely will end up scratch building it... Would a Corvair engine be a good starting point? (Yes, I know you'd have to cut two cylinders off it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Snake45 said: Would a Corvair engine be a good starting point? (Yes, I know you'd have to cut two cylinders off it.) Size matters here. The 200 Franklin is 200 cubic inches. The biggest Corvair is only 164 cubes. Cut two jugs off it, it would only be 108 cu.in, and it would look tiny compared to the 4-cylinder Franklin. NOTE: The Porsche-powered Mooneys weren't that great 'cause the relatively small, high-revving engine required a reduction gearbox to spin a conventional prop big enough to drag a fairly large airplane around. High revs wear any engine out sooner, and the reduction box added weight that negated the Porsche engine's lightness. Edited April 19, 2018 by Ace-Garageguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impalow Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 10 hours ago, Snake45 said: Would a Corvair engine be a good starting point? (Yes, I know you'd have to cut two cylinders off it.) I was actually thinking that at first.... if I can procure some nice finned jugs of the right size, the rest doesn't seem to challenging to scratchbuild.... 10 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Size matters here. The 200 Franklin is 200 cubic inches. The biggest Corvair is only 164 cubes. Cut two jugs off it, it would only be 108 cu.in, and it would look tiny compared to the 4-cylinder Franklin. NOTE: The Porsche-powered Mooneys weren't that great 'cause the relatively small, high-revving engine required a reduction gearbox to spin a conventional prop big enough to drag a fairly large airplane around. High revs wear any engine out sooner, and the reduction box added weight that negated the Porsche engine's lightness. Yeah.. I pulled out one of my parts pack engines over the weekend... and it seemed a bit small... I'm thinking this may be a 3d model and Shapeways print situation.... which will still be fun. I also am not sure how much of the engine will really be visible in the final vehicle, I can probably cut a few corners... mainly want the upper cover and valve train covers.... Sorry for the sporadic thoughts...I'm kind of thinking out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLMFAA1 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 A bit bigger in 1/20th scale but opposed 4 cylinder : https://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/review.php?rid=729 greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 I bought this 1/24 Merlin on eBay. Now all these little parts look very pretty but I haven't the faintest idea where they go. I could use the instructions. I suppose it is either Airfix or Trumpeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 OK, found some with the help of the seller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hondamatic Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 With 3d print, I'm hoping more engines are available. Maybe some 1/25 helicopter ones?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLMFAA1 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 If your into turbo prop jet engines from a helicopter try this: Nichimo 1:20 Scale Hughes H-500 Monogram 1/24 Bell 'Huey' engine If you are really 'radical' The Napier Sabre 24 cylinder engine from the Airfix 1/24 Typhoon greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Interesting thread, there is also the old Red Baron by Monogram. Personally I am looking for a 1/24 scale GE J79 afterburner exhaust for a proposed Spirit of America Sonic 1. I've seen some really detailed F104 afterburners 3D printed in 1/32 or 48th but get no reply to inquiries. Hang in there. Pic for those Allison fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell C Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 hours ago, Big John said: ...there is also the old Red Baron by Monogram ... Somebody with better memory than me might be able to chime in on this, but I know I read somewhere that while the Red Baron kit is 1:24 scale, the World War I Mercedes-Benz aircraft engine in it is actually significantly undersized in relation to what a 24th scale replica would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/10/2018 at 7:49 PM, Matt Bacon said: The Meteor is a Merlin adapted for powering tanks... ie only at ground level. Most “Merlin” powered mad cars you hear about are actually Meteors.. Though come to think of it, a two stage Merlin would have made for a heck of a Pike’s Peak contender, if you could carry enough fuel! best, M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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