niteowl7710 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Well they released the CAD drawings for both versions of the Monte Carlo this afternoon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemopar70 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 These Montes looks great, nice to see them kitted!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rat Roaster Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Okay, the opera windows look dangerously small and a little out of position. That said, they would both make fine models if printed on 100# card stock with fold lines and tabs added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamsuperdan Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 "dangerously small?" Methinks you exaggerate a little there. Yes, it looks like it needs tweaking, but i hardly think it's a catastrophic problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyfink Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 It's just a drawing, and not a good one, so I am sure this is not the final piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteowl7710 Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Daddyfink said: It's just a drawing, and not a good one, so I am sure this is not the final piece. It's not a drawing, it's the CAD rendering that the tooling will be made from...so yes tweaking that opera window should be very easily fixed at this stage. But "not a good one"...this kit is threatened for September, which makes it dangerously close to the final design if they're gonna get everything done in the next 90 days or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledsel Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 A agree, the 1/4 window looks a bit small, but that is an easy fix. Still, it is 2018...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill J Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 The top corners of the windshield and the curve of the top across sure looks Dodge Magnum to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanR Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Did anyone get a warped Oldsmobile body with their Gray Ghost kit? I reached out to Salvino but so far it's been just silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Van Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Revell's is wrong too then.........?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowsportwagon Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Nobody except Johan has gotten the Colonade body GM windshield right. The back of the roof on Montes seems difficult too. Never seen a model or diecast I thought was even 90% correct there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill J Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I do hope they get the Monte's more to our liking. Just like the Olds, the Monte Carlo is a missing link in NASCAR models. The Olds didn't cut it but I am hoping for some improvement with the Chevy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBcritter Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Well, now I'm interested: If I can use this to begin backdating the Revell kit to a '73... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddyfink Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, niteowl7710 said: It's not a drawing, it's the CAD rendering that the tooling will be made from...so yes tweaking that opera window should be very easily fixed at this stage. But "not a good one"...this kit is threatened for September, which makes it dangerously close to the final design if they're gonna get everything done in the next 90 days or so. I will wait until there is actual plastic to look at And in reality, it is not that big of a window Edited July 17, 2018 by Daddyfink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'70 Grande Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Not the best angle on this shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boss 302 mustang Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 If the side window is the only problem, I am sure people can live with it and fix it if need be. Let's see what the rest of the kit looks like when it is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'70 Grande Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 One more quick reference pic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrObsessive Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, yellowsportwagon said: Nobody except Johan has gotten the Colonade body GM windshield right. The back of the roof on Montes seems difficult too. Never seen a model or diecast I thought was even 90% correct there. Yup! Any conversion to other divisions of that Colonnade body style should be based on that. While Monogram's Monte Carlo is OK.........it always appeared to me that the cowl area (to the top of the windshield) is a bit "short". I've got two junk bodies in fact of that Monte. I'm saving 'em for future projects as I need the back roof section to make an Olds Cutlass, and down the road a '76-'77 Buick Regal. No timeline.........just an idea rolling around in my head for a number of months now. Looking at that #11 Olds NASCAR reinforces everything I see wrong in the new Olds NASCAR kit body. I'll hold off judgement of the Monte till I can see good pics of the kit in plastic. Hard to go by 3D images as those can change from now till production. I'm a bit passionate about these cars...........they were mainly what I saw on the road back when I was learning to drive in the later '70's, and in fact a '77 Olds was our Driver's Ed car back in high school along with a '77 Grand Prix. Now THAT I'd like to take on as a project someday! I can certainly remember them from new, and while they were not fast cars by any means, they were certainly good looking and one of the few bright spots of '70's cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robberbaron Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 6:04 PM, niteowl7710 said: 4 hours ago, Daddyfink said: I will wait until there is actual plastic to look at And in reality, it is not that big of a window As can be Sen in the picture of the 1:1 above, there should be a subtle curvature to the B-pillar, not arrow straight as currently shown in their rendering. Trailing edge of the quarter window also follows this curvature, and yes, the quarter window does need to be a bit wider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robberbaron Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 6:04 PM, niteowl7710 said: Well they released the CAD drawings for both versions of the Monte Carlo this afternoon... I'm intrigued by the 2 different versions they're showing. The round-eyed version is a 74-75 model year based on the rear bumper/taillight panel shape. The four-eyed version is 76-77 model year, with a different rear bumper and taillight panel shape. Only way I see for them to share a common body would be to have separate quarter panel end pieces for each version. Looks like the 74-75 rear bumper should have some height taken out from the lower section. They were chunky, but not to the degree shown in their rendering. Hopefully they realize that they need to create separate front bumpers, too (if they want to make more of an attempt at accuracy than the Olds kit). The bumper shown on both rendering versions has the 76-77 parking light covers. 74-75 model years had the parking lights next to the headlights in the fender extensions, no openings in the bumper beneath the headlights that would require these covers. Note also that the 74-75 front bumper wraps around the side and extends back further than the 76-77 style. As currently shown in their renderings, the bumper more closely resembles the 74-75 shape, but with the 76-77 parking light covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkur XR4Ti Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 12 hours ago, '70 Grande said: Not the best angle on this shot. This pic sure makes the side windows on the NASCAR seem very small, and thus to me the CAD drawings are accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in Berwyn Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, Robberbaron said: As can be Sen in the picture of the 1:1 above, there should be a subtle curvature to the B-pillar, not arrow straight as currently shown in their rendering. Trailing edge of the quarter window also follows this curvature, and yes, the quarter window does need to be a bit wider. Yes to the curved opera window. No to the aft edge of the b-pillar being curved Look at the real red car above. The example you are referring to has the flat or concave glass where the race car has convex glass, as does the red car . Edited July 17, 2018 by Chris in Berwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espo Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 The early Monte Carlo race bodies and production bodies also used a smaller quarter window. Even pictures of Cale Yarborough's series winning '77 #11 Monte Carlo has just such a window treatment. In the early '80's the windows were enlarged somewhat. I can see that with very little work you could make a Chevelle Laguna race car like Cale's '76 Chevelle which also was the series winner that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socal76 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 '70 Grandes pic makes it look like the front end has a noticeable drop, especially when looking at the headlight area. Is this due to the image angle or did the car really have that drop? I can't say because I was watching what little drag racing I could find while on base in Okinawa. Had lost interest in NASCAR for a few years. Got back into it when Monogram did their first four NASCAR kits. And still had the interest in drag racing, so the drag kits that Monogram did were added to the beginning of the "stash" also!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espo Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, socal76 said: '70 Grandes pic makes it look like the front end has a noticeable drop, especially when looking at the headlight area. Is this due to the image angle or did the car really have that drop? I can't say because I was watching what little drag racing I could find while on base in Okinawa. Had lost interest in NASCAR for a few years. Got back into it when Monogram did their first four NASCAR kits. And still had the interest in drag racing, so the drag kits that Monogram did were added to the beginning of the "stash" also!! At that time many NASCAR teams used liberal interpretations of stock body shapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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