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The pump drive also drives the magneto from an angle gear (the blue thing the magneto is attached to),  the angle gear unit itself is driven from the cam drive and is bolted to the front of the timing chain cover, and the fuel pump is in front of it driven by the same unit from the same shaft.

The setup kind of looks like this, not exactly the same as this is a more recent unit, but you might get the drift.

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Here is the setup he used on the 33 Willys wich is the same as on the Malco Gasser.

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I think After a lot of photo enlargement you are right.  Guess I just have to make the half round gear cover.  From my perspective the gear cover made it look — to me— that it was on the side of the pump, not on it.  Thanx for the heads up.

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....one more thing that's bothering me. in this photo....

 

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...and others, there is what looks to be a 90 degree shielded pipe on the front of the engine.  Some photos have it on the right, others, like the red mustang, on the left side of the engine.  I thought it might be an oil return hose but I don't think this car carried an oil tank.  Could it be a crankcase vent outlet?  There is only one in photos where it is visible, the unused side having a plate bolted over it.  The block would need a vent somewhere.  these usually had an in line oil catch can of some type, and lots had a pipe welded somewhere to the header to help in the vacuum, though not 100% did.  Photos do not make it obvious.  Any ideas?

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It looks to be crank case ventilation, the tube goes over to a black hose without any clamps on it so it can't be any pressure there, it must go to a catch tank somewhere in the car.

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The engine setup is very similar on the 33 Willys and same type of tube is present... the hose is transparent in this case.

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And the Mr Gasket Gasser has this crank case vent tube and transparent hose where the fuel pump usually sits on a SOHC, on the Malco Gasser and 33 Willys this location is blocked off with a plate.

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On 9/16/2018 at 7:12 PM, Farmboy said:

I think After a lot of photo enlargement you are right.  Guess I just have to make the half round gear cover.  From my perspective the gear cover made it look — to me— that it was on the side of the pump, not on it.  Thanx for the heads up.

I think you are both close, but not exact. The distributor IS above, but it must be offset to the side (as seen from straight ahead) enough for the gear on its vertical shaft to mesh with the pump's horizontal shaft/gear assembly. Look closely at the photos above. Good stuff in this thread!

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Great thread. Just a few comments. I would agree that the  line coming off the timing cover is to a catch can probably underneath the car, never inside. Zoomies would never have a line attached to them for crankcase vacuum. I have the diecast version, if any additional photos of it are needed let me know what you'd like. I have a built kit that I want to add detail to, thanks for all the photos and the drawings!

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12 hours ago, bisc63 said:

I think you are both close, but not exact. The distributor IS above, but it must be offset to the side (as seen from straight ahead) enough for the gear on its vertical shaft to mesh with the pump's horizontal shaft/gear assembly. Look closely at the photos above. Good stuff in this thread!

That was what I was trying to explain...I know how this setup works. 
 

9 hours ago, bykr said:

Just a few comments. I would agree that the  line coming off the timing cover is to a catch can probably underneath the car, never inside. Zoomies would never have a line attached to them for crankcase vacuum

Yes, the line must go under the car most likely to a catch tank of some sort, like you I don't believe it's a Vac-U-Pan system like some use in regular headers.

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On September 14, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Force said:

I have gone through all my "Ohio" George car pictures on my hard drive but haven't found any good pictures that explains the fuel and cooling system in an easy way on the 67 Malco Gasser Mustang, but the car didn't have a regular radiator, it looks like a kind of combined fuel tank/ coolant overflow tank in front of the engine wich holds fuel and water, the water was circulated through the engine and connected to the tank with small diameter tubes and hoses wich goes in where the water pump normaly sits on the engine block, I don't think he used a water pump on the car, at least the engine didn't have one.
Another thing I noticed is that this tank was changed and the version of the Malco Gasser that exist today has a different tank from the one used on the early version and he used the same setup on the 69 Mr Gasket Gasser Mustang.
Here are some of the pictures of this area I have saved in my files over the years.

First the early version of the tank/radiator wich is in the MPC kit.

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And the late version as it is today, now it's a combined fuel/water tank.

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The fuel/water tank on the Mr Gasket Gasser before the turbo version.

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I hope they will show what you need...or at least give you a hint.

These are GREAT pictures

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