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Peking to Paris Rally CBP

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Welcome to the Peking to Paris Model Car Rally Community Build. It will begin November 1, 2018 and conclude on July 7th, 2019, which is the last day of the actual rally. Unlike the Cannonball CBP’s there will be no poll, no winner, no losers. This is a race of gentlemen.

We will use the same build rules that the actual racers use. I have outlined them below. Please read the rules in their entirety before you post your build as rules change depending on the choice of car.

This is a smart man’s race. The person that plans well and drives well, wins. Torque will win over horsepower. Gas mileage will be a concern. Weight, the ability to handle rough roads, water, weather, mud will all be factors. It’s hard to imagine a race were a ’40 Ford with a flattie beats a ’70 Hemi Cuda, but this is the one, I assure you.

 

Only cars of a model type in production prior to 1975 will be eligible.

The Organizers may accept cars manufactured after 1975 provided they are a series evolution of the pre-1975 model and do not feature any performance advantage over the original model.  Basically said- if a '76 is mechanically the same as a '75, it is good to go.

They must be of a type designed to carry passengers with either a saloon or sports bodywork.

Estate cars (station wagons) are not acceptable.

Commercial or military vehicles such as light trucks, vans, ambulances, pick-ups and utility 4x4 vehicles are not eligible.

Cars not capable of sustaining a constant speed of at least 80 kph (50 mph) on a level surface will not be eligible to enter.

Entries will be accepted in the following Categories:
the Vintageant Category - Cars of a model type in production from 1920 to 1941
the Classic Category - Cars of a model type in production prior to 1975

The following modifications to the cars are NOT permitted:
- No conversion of live axle to independent suspension.
- No coil springs replacing leaf springs.
- No shock absorbers with separate reservoirs.
- No changing of the engine make or configuration. Configuration means the engine must be set up just the way it could have been in 19XX but not necessarily stock. If aftermarket speed equipment A and B was available then, it should be good to go. Basically you are restricted to the technology of the year of the car you are driving. 
- No fuel injection, unless available as original equipment (a standard-showroom production item of the model entered).
- No limited slip or torque biasing differential, unless available as original equipment.
- No disc brakes on cars in the Vintageant Category.
- No engine management systems or crank sensors.
- No conversion to rack and pinion or power steering. With this in mind, a small steering wheel might look grand, but in practice would be detrimental to handling.

- No body panels of alternative composite materials. No fiberglass or carbon fiber.
 -No wheel design (or material) that was unavailable when the car was in production.

Roof racks are permitted provided they meet the following specification:
- They must be of a design available at the time the car was in production
- They must be made of metal
- They must be no longer or wider than the roof panel
- They must have sides no higher than 45 cm (18 inches)
- the roof rack and spare wheels must not be covered

Trunk racks - only for cars that came with them as a factory option. 1st Gen Camaros, C3 Vettes, etc.
 

All other modifications are permitted.

Note: Not all cars were built to take the punishment this rally can dish out. So think about ways to strengthen the vehicle within the rules and without adding a ton of weight. Spliting wishbones, adding shocks, adding an x-frame if your chassis doesn't come with one, add a panhard bar, add gussets where appropriate, etc, etc.

Spares
There will no limit to the quantity or the range of spares that can be carried in the car but trailers are not permitted.

Safety Equipment
- Seat Belts: It is strongly recommended that all cars in the Vintageant Category have seat belts fitted and used at all times. Cars in the Classic Category must have full harness seat belts fitted and these must be used at all times.
- Rollover Bars: It is strongly recommended that all cars have a roll bar fitted. the minimum requirement being a single hoop and two back stays.
- Fire and liquid proof bulkheads separating the passenger compartment from the engine and fuel tank are strongly recommended.
- A fire extinguisher of at least 1.75 liters must be securely fitted and within easy reach within the car.
- All cars must have mud flaps fitted to all four wheel arches.
- All cars must be fitted with a laminated windscreen or aero-screens

Two metal rally plates must be fixed to the front and rear of the car in a clearly visible position, but not obscuring the car license plates. The rally plates are the image above. If we have a good decal printer among us, perhaps they would volunteer to do some decals for us. If not, I recommend printing them on good photo paper rather than a decal.

In addition, racing numbers on the doors, for each side of the car must be visible. Numbers are first come first served. So when you announce your build, announce whatever number you want. 1 to 99 please. If you use decals like I do, remember a 43 decal can be a 34, a 3 or a 4. A 6 can be a 9. Be creative so that you don’t replicate someone else’s number.

I realize that the actual 1:1 cars have magnetic numbers issued. A number in a light or dark circle depending on body color. If you have the ability to do generate a decal of that, rock on. If not, throwing the Intimidators number 3 on there is permissible.

Other Items as outlined in section 9.2 of the P2P Regs, such as tents, sleeping bags, first aid kit, spare tires, tow ropes are not required because they could simply be in a closed trunk, but adding them to the build in some way (backseat?) would be very cool.

Some useful links.

http://www.endurorally.com/

http://peking2paris2013.com/car/      this will show you a lot of modifications that can be done and still be within the rules.

Lastly, a Peking to Paris racer Google image search is highly recommended. This will show you what has been raced in the past. There is a team of guys that drive '37 - '39 Chevys and do well every year.

As we get into June, I'm going to try to find media from the actual rally and incorporate it into this thread to get us re-motivated to finishing the models. There will be plenty of questions from prospective builders. Let'em fly, I'll answer as best I can.

 

P2P 2016 Regs FINAL.pdf

CAR Preparation Guide.Peking to Paris 2019.pdf

Edited by Jantrix

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Here's our roster race fans!

#98  Jhedir6 - '65 Shelby GT350R

#42  Pete J. - Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA

#32  Jantrix - '51 Chevy Fleetline

#6  Pat Minarick - '68 Firebird

#72  Foxer - American LaFrance Speedster

#00  426Pack - '67 Mustang GT

# 19  da_ashman - Nissan Skyline

#27  Ryansrust - 70.5 Camaro

#2  Fat Brian - '68 Beetle

#39  MeatMan - Sunbeam Tiger

#41  Oldmopars - '41 Plymouth

#5   Alexis - '34 Ford 

#51  LouO - '69 Nova

#13  W-409 - '51 Chevy Bel Air

#7   dsldriver - '47 Chevy

#54  Aaron - Model T

#31  Harpo - '31 Rolls Royce Phantom II

#62  FredRPG - Rambler

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I'm in. 

I'll be running a 1965 Shelby GT350R For a # I'll run #98 (pretty sure I got the numbers in the pile for that, if not I'll change but I'll know by end of day)

I didnt see it in the rules but if this is there and I missed it, sorry, can you swap out the stock fuel cell for a race one (ie for saftey?) I know the more modern cars run race seats/harness' and roll bars already but I've not seen any pics showing fuel cells.

Great theme Rob, thanks for hosting yet again.

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I'm in.  73 porsche RS.  It is a small car so there will be a load of external stuff on the roof rack. 

 I call dibs on number 42!  The answer to life, the universe and everything!  Got my towel, ready to go!

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3 minutes ago, Pete J. said:

I'm in.  73 porsche RS.  It is a small car so there will be a load of external stuff on the roof rack. 

 I call dibs on number 43!  The answer to life, the universe and everything!  Got my towel, ready to go!

43?

 

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Rob, thanks for running this.  I noticed that several of the cars have a "route" sticker along with the plaque also.  Any chance that the info you have, has one of those in it that you could post one of those in high def also?

 

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3 minutes ago, Jhedir6 said:

43?

 

just corrected it.  42 duh!

 

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27 minutes ago, Jhedir6 said:

I didnt see it in the rules but if this is there and I missed it, sorry, can you swap out the stock fuel cell for a race one (ie for saftey?) I know the more modern cars run race seats/harness' and roll bars already but I've not seen any pics showing fuel cells.

From the link I included. http://peking2paris2013.com/car/gallery/fuel-tank/

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16 minutes ago, Pete J. said:

Rob, thanks for running this.  I noticed that several of the cars have a "route" sticker along with the plaque also.  Any chance that the info you have, has one of those in it that you could post one of those in high def also?

 

You are welcome. I haven't looked for such as of yet. 

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I'm going to enter with an AMT '51 Chevy Fleetline. I'll be number 32.

EDIT - Yeah I changed my entry. Last night my dad asked, "Say, did you ever build that '51 Fleetline kit I gave you?" and it dawned on me that it would be a really cool P2P racer. So two birds, one stone.

 

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Won't be build anything but look forward to seeing what you guys come up with.

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This will be my entry. I will take the number 6, for the sixth community build race car build.

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2 hours ago, Jantrix said:

You are welcome. I haven't looked for such as of yet. 

Rob, do you have a idea about how wide the plates for the front and rear are?

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I have a question about this rule since I was unable to find a copy of the real rules ... " Commercial or military vehicles such as light trucks, vans, ambulances, pick-ups and utility 4x4 vehicles are not eligible."

I was going to enter an American La France Speedster, which ran the 2016 and 2007 P2P's, but since the Speedsters were built on the fire truck chassis it would seem they are ineligible. These two did run the P2P and I was going to base mine on one of them.

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Do I get a pass building something that actually ran the P2P?

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47 minutes ago, Pat Minarick said:

Rob, do you have a idea about how wide the plates for the front and rear are?

See Mike's pics above or this one for basic sizing.

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57 minutes ago, Foxer said:

I have a question about this rule since I was unable to find a copy of the real rules ... " Commercial or military vehicles such as light trucks, vans, ambulances, pick-ups and utility 4x4 vehicles are not eligible."

I was going to enter an American La France Speedster, which ran the 2016 and 2007 P2P's, but since the Speedsters were built on the fire truck chassis it would seem they are ineligible. These two did run the P2P and I was going to base mine on one of them.

Do I get a pass building something that actually ran the P2P?

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What a beast!

Here's the actual 2016 rules. See attached. It's the rules that I'm following and since that monster ran twice, I'd say yeah, you get a thumbs up from me. I can't wait to see what you come up with.

P2P 2016 Regs FINAL.pdf

EDIT :  They must be of a type designed to carry passengers with either a saloon or sports bodywork.  Regardless of chassis, the car was designed to carry passengers and is not considered a utility vehicle of any sort. Therefore - legal to run the P2P.

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I will join with a 1967 Mustang GT and I would like to have the number dubbed zero (00) if that is allowed. 

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I have a few questions 

1: Are we able to give the car a lift kit for more ground clearance?

2: Are we able to swap the rear axel for another period correct axle? 

3: Can I run period correct mud tires?

4: Can I do a motor swap if it was a motor that was optional in th car when it was manufactured? 

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Rob, another question.  The rules state that the plaques must be metal plates.  My question is that several of the race entrants, particularly the newer cars, have stickers/decals instead, particularly the Mustangs and Porsches and they vary significantly in size.  Having the identification is of course critical, but must is be a metal plate?  Whatever you say is fine but is some cases it may be difficult to put a large plaque on the car.  

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3 hours ago, Foxer said:

I was going to enter an American La France Speedster, which ran the 2016 and 2007 P2P's, but since the Speedsters were built on the fire truck chassis it would seem they are ineligible. These two did run the P2P and I was going to base mine on one of them.Do I get a pass building something that actua

It's so Road Warrior-esque, it really does look invincible. 

 

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So we arent building something that actually ran the race....?

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4 minutes ago, Belugawrx said:

So we arent building something that actually ran the race....?

Only if you want to Bruce. Otherwise, any car that conforms to the rules above. 

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I've been on a long sabbatical but I'm going to quell the excitement of this build with an American La France Speedster as I showed above. I'm using the #11 below as a guide but not exactly.

I'm claiming #72 as my number.

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Im IN! This will be my build, Nissan Skyline 2000 GTR 1971. This is a great kit by tamiya, comes with period correct "tuner" modifications like wheels & webber carbs etc. Might paint it up like a classic race car too.

I'll take #19

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2 hours ago, 426 pack said:

I will join with a 1967 Mustang GT and I would like to have the number dubbed zero (00) if that is allowed. 

I have a few questions 

1: Are we able to give the car a lift kit for more ground clearance?

2: Are we able to swap the rear axel for another period correct axle? 

3: Can I run period correct mud tires?

4: Can I do a motor swap if it was a motor that was optional in the car when it was manufactured? 

I have posted all the rules. If you don't see a rule against it .............................. need I say more.?

2 hours ago, Pete J. said:

Rob, another question.  The rules state that the plaques must be metal plates.  My question is that several of the race entrants, particularly the newer cars, have stickers/decals instead, particularly the Mustangs and Porsches and they vary significantly in size.  Having the identification is of course critical, but must is be a metal plate?  Whatever you say is fine but is some cases it may be difficult to put a large plaque on the car.  

Do the best you can on the plaques. Gotta have something visible on the vehicle front and back ID'ing the vehicle as a P2P racer or else take your chances with Russian police.

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