landman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I am planning to use this engine in my Cannonball Run vehicle. I was just going to call it a Ford big block. However as I start to clean it up it looks like the valve Covers or the heads are installed wrong.So I wonder if anyone here recognizes it and where it is from so I can get the instructions. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgefever Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Looks like the sub-par FE from the AMT F350 series. https://public.fotki.com/drasticplasticsmcc/mkiba-build-under-c/amt-instructions/automotive-cars--pi/ford/1971-1980/amt1979ford4x4picku/scan0008.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, dodgefever said: Looks like the sub-par FE from the AMT F350 series. https://public.fotki.com/drasticplasticsmcc/mkiba-build-under-c/amt-instructions/automotive-cars--pi/ford/1971-1980/amt1979ford4x4picku/scan0008.html That's exactly what it is. thanks, Stu and have a good weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Sorry I didn't get back to your PM earlier, but it looks like you found what you needed. This thread has some very helpful info on the differences in appearance of several of the FE pushrod engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Sorry I didn't get back to your PM earlier, but it looks like you found what you needed. This thread has some very helpful info on the differences in appearance of several of the FE pushrod engines. Thanks Bill. Turns out it is a 460. Edited January 19, 2019 by landman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk11 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 That may be what amt wrongly calls it on the box but the physical design reveals it to be an FE series engine; could represent anything from a 332 through the 352, 360, 390, 406, 427 and 428 cubic inch variants. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 So to be safe it will remain a big block ford, displacement optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) If that's an fe it's a really poor rendition.. Maybe someone has a 390 or 428 from a Revell kit they wouldn't mind parting with. Edited January 19, 2019 by Dave G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyardjeff Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 That one looks to be more like a 460 but I have seen them that resemble both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) First, the oil pan is the wrong way around, the deep part of the sump goes at the front as it does on most Ford engines. If you go by the oil filter placement this engine does not look like a FE, the FE has the oil filter further forward and hanging straight down from a separate oil filter adapter as the FE doesn't have an oil filter mount casting on the block, on the 385 family 429-460 the oil filter is mounted directy to the engine block, but not as far back as on this one and it should be angled more downwards. Next clue is the transmission wich is a C6, the bellhousing is more round on the FE than on the 385 family and this seems to have more of the 385 family shape. On a FE the intake manifold is part of the heads and go in under the valve covers so you have to remove the valve covers and the pushrods before you can remove the intake manifold, that's not the case on a 385 family where you can remove the intake manifold without removing the valve covers. I'm very familiar with both engine familys as we race with a 385 family engine in our Super Comp dragster and I'm currently building a FE stroker for my 1963½ Ford Galaxie, so based on that this engine is most likely a 385 family 429-460 but a crude one. Edited January 20, 2019 by Force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuces Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Yep! I think it's a 429-460 also...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk11 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 2019-01-19 at 4:30 PM, Dave G. said: If that's an fe it's a really poor rendition... True, but that's the way amt rendered it A closer look at the subject of this discussion will help one see that the oil pan has been glued on backwards and the valve covers are positioned too far outward. No 385 series engine ever came with those log manifolds either. In the context of the original surrounding model, it would represent an FE 360/390. Of course, being that it's Your model, Pat, you reserve the right to call it whatever you want mike Edited January 21, 2019 by mk11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkyardjeff Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Who ever designed it did not do a very good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave G. Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, mk11 said: True, but that's the way amt rendered it A closer look at the subject of this discussion will help one see that the oil pan has been glued on backwards and the valve covers are positioned too far outward. No 385 series engine ever came with those log manifolds either. In the context of the original surrounding model, it would represent an FE 360/390. Of course, being that it's Your model, Pat, you reserve the right to call it whatever you want mike In this schematic it shows the proper oil filter housing at least, I wonder if someone just glued the filter to the block on the model without knowing better.. The ears on the exhaust side of the heads need to be more prominent. But yes that is an fe in this picture by the looks of it. edit: oops,I missed the filter shown going to the block. In front of that on the front cover appears to be the fuel pump and that would be the correct location for an fe fuel pump. It's still an fe layout but the oil filter mount is incorrect, there should be a housing to mount it to. The fe filter sits vertical not horizontal,. Edited January 21, 2019 by Dave G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dave G. said: In this schematic it shows the proper oil filter housing at least, I wonder if someone just glued the filter to the block on the model without knowing better.. The ears on the exhaust side of the heads need to be more prominent. But yes that is an fe in this picture by the looks of it. It is like the instructions on the little block. I sanded it at an angle to get the effect Håkan described above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, junkyardjeff said: Who ever designed it did not do a very good job. No whatever it's supposed to be it's not good at all, if it's a bad 385 family engine it's an even worse representation of a FE as I see it, it's really not correct for any of them. The 385 family did not have the exhaust manifolds pictured, they look more like FE, likewise for the valve covers as they look to have five bolts, two on the bottom and three on top, the 385 has six or seven, four on the bottom and two or three on top. But the thermostat housing on the intake manifold looks like it's on top of the manifold pointing straight up as on the 385, the FE has the thermostate housing pointed straight forward, sometimes with an expansion tank and sometimes with an elbow that goes out in front for the hose, the water pump and timing chain cover also looks more like the 385, the 385 water pump mounts to the timing chain cover as the cover also is the rear part of the pump housing and the water goes through it into the block, on the FE the pump is separate and goes over the timing chain cover and mounts directly to the water jackets on the engine block and don't touch the timing chain cover at all. The fuel pump is on the same side on both engines so you can't go by that to decide what engine it is, and as I said the oil filter is mounted directly on the block pointing slightly downwards on the 385 and vertical to a separate aluminum adapter on the FE as the FE blocks has no casting for an oil filter. So most of the clues points to a 385 family 429-460 because if it's supposed to be a 332-428 FE it's a very bad rendering. Edited January 21, 2019 by Force Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 When you buy a bagful of engines you never know what you get until you take a closer look. I thing someone wanted a Boss 9 so he made one with a pair of valve covers. Anyone recognize the engine? Looks like a y-block to me, or a flathead. Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgefever Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Olds from the AMT '39/'40 Ford sedan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 30 minutes ago, dodgefever said: Olds from the AMT '39/'40 Ford sedan. Thank you Stu. Found the instruction on the web, it is the 394 (or is supposed to be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, landman said: Thank you Stu. Found the instruction on the web, it is the 394 (or is supposed to be). Just FYI, all the first-generation Olds OHV V8 engines built from 1949 through 1963/4 are pretty similar visually. 303, 324, 371 and 394 factory displacements, kit engines can easily be up- and back-dated to represent any of 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Just now, Ace-Garageguy said: Just FYI, all the first-generation Olds OHV V8 engines built from 1949 through 1963/4 are pretty similar visually. 303, 324, 371 and 394 factory displacements, kit engines can easily be up- and back-dated to represent any of 'em. Yeah, I just noticed that looking at several photos. And depending when AMT brought that out,it is likely earlier than the 394. Looks like all I need to put it back is a pair of valve covers. I could put the Boss valve covers in the diorama. No sense wasting anything. By the way the photos of the original issues brought back some memories. I had built this as a kid and painted it red with black fenders to match the '48 Chevy my uncle was driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 11:29 AM, Force said: No whatever it's supposed to be it's not good at all, if it's a bad 385 family engine it's an even worse representation of a FE as I see it, it's really not correct for any of them. The 385 family did not have the exhaust manifolds pictured, they look more like FE, likewise for the valve covers as they look to have five bolts, two on the bottom and three on top, the 385 has six or seven, four on the bottom and two or three on top. But the thermostat housing on the intake manifold looks like it's on top of the manifold pointing straight up as on the 385, the FE has the thermostate housing pointed straight forward, sometimes with an expansion tank and sometimes with an elbow that goes out in front for the hose, the water pump and timing chain cover also looks more like the 385, the 385 water pump mounts to the timing chain cover as the cover also is the rear part of the pump housing and the water goes through it into the block, on the FE the pump is separate and goes over the timing chain cover and mounts directly to the water jackets on the engine block and don't touch the timing chain cover at all. The fuel pump is on the same side on both engines so you can't go by that to decide what engine it is, and as I said the oil filter is mounted directly on the block pointing slightly downwards on the 385 and vertical to a separate aluminum adapter on the FE as the FE blocks has no casting for an oil filter. So most of the clues points to a 385 family 429-460 because if it's supposed to be a 332-428 FE it's a very bad rendering. So this is what I ended up with. It is going in my Vannonball vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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