aurfalien Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pico said: You would get much better results resin casting it. Well, I would have to agree. Even when ordering the finest finish from Shapeways, I found myself having to fill and sand several times to get a nice surface. I don't really have an opinion of 3D printing or resin casting other then I will go where ever something is available. I've gotten some horribly cast stuff before so to me it's a toss up on 3D printing vs resin casting. In the end, it comes down to execution so a polished turd can look better then a lump of crappy gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat32 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Pat has good photography skills and a raw photogrammetry file can be edited. It certainly is worth a try. No cost involved. If he came up with a good series of photos I'd be happy to load them into Meshroom and try 3D printing them. Result just might be something that could be cleaned up to make a silicone mold master from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Karson Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Pico said: Just got this in. The two gray wheels were printed by Model Builders Warehouse and are untouched - no sanding, no clear finish, no nothing. . The larger wire wheel is from Shapeways. It is painted with Molotow chrome, so you can see the surface detail, which is pretty good; but I gave it a light sanding with 1200 sandpaper to knock down the fuzz. The gray wheel's surface, on the other hand are shiny and almost blemish free. This is the best hobbyist 3d printing I have seen. Contact Randy Ditton - randy@modelbuilderswh@com. Thanks to Pico's mad 3D design work and the test shots from Model Builders Warehouse we're on our way to have a set of custom lip-laced wire wheels. They're going on a not as flashy '29 Roadster Pickup (See Attached) -KK Edited February 23, 2019 by Kit Karson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurfalien Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Wow! These look far better then what I've gotten from Shapeways. That's crazy! Go Randy@MBW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, aurfalien said: Wow! These look far better then what I've gotten from Shapeways. That's crazy! Go Randy@MBW! Which ones did you get from Shapeways? ACME member Bilingham has some there that have printed wire wheel spokes that are very good. The spokes are .015" in diameter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurfalien Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pico said: Which ones did you get from Shapeways? ACME member Bilingham has some there that have printed wire wheel spokes that are very good. The spokes are .015" in diameter. Well, I didn't get any wheels per se but just general items. For example V8 engines, mid engine transaxles, velocity stacks, intake manifolds etc... In those cases, I chose there premium finish but have recently seen an even higher premium finish offered. Not all items are offered in there highest finish though. I've seen Mr. Billinghams wheels which look very good. I would be tickled pink if some one offered a Porsche flat 8 engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spex84 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Those rims from ModelBuilders Warehouse look goooood. SO smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 4:13 PM, Pico said: Just got this in. The two gray wheels were printed by Model Builders Warehouse and are untouched - no sanding, no clear finish, no nothing. . The larger wire wheel is from Shapeways. It is painted with Molotow chrome, so you can see the surface detail, which is pretty good; but I gave it a light sanding with 1200 sandpaper to knock down the fuzz. The gray wheel's surface, on the other hand are shiny and almost blemish free. This is the best hobbyist 3d printing I have seen. Contact Randy Ditton - randy@modelbuilderswh@com. The top two wheels are very, very nice, and the surface appears to be very smooth, which is ideal. I did not find them on MBW's website, and MBW appears to be a re-seller for products made by others. Maybe they have yet to add them? Pico, did you purchase theses wheels directly from MBW, and if so where on the website did you find them? The only products which come up after a search for "3D printed" are a few from Futurattraction. Unfortunately, the bottom wheel has a wavy/undulating surface finish which is very visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy D Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Casey, Those rims are a project that Pico designed for 'Kit Karson'. Model Builders' Warehouse is the firm that these gentlemen choose to do the printing. They would not be for sale on our site as the design is the property of Pico. In this instance we will print x number of parts for 'KK' and charge him accordingly. MBWH is close to offering for sale our own 3D printed parts. As you noted above the quality of printed parts is improving all time ! Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Randy D said: MBWH is close to offering for sale our own 3D printed parts. As you noted above the quality of printed parts is improving all time ! Thanks for the clarification, Randy. I'm looking forward to seeing what you offer in the future. What are the specs on the printer, media, and resolution which were used to print the wheels Pico designed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps46 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 11:50 AM, Pico said: Which ones did you get from Shapeways? ACME member Bilingham has some there that have printed wire wheel spokes that are very good. The spokes are .015" in diameter. I posted these on another thread but they belong here. They are the outside spoked wire wheels from Bilingham I bought from Shapeways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeBee Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Pico, who printed the Duesenberg wires? I searched on Shapeways and couldn't find anything. Thanks. PB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, PeeBee said: Pico, who printed the Duesenberg wires? I searched on Shapeways and couldn't find anything. Thanks. PB. I had the rims and hubs printed, then hand strung them. They are not in my shop because it's necessary to have a jig to hold them and require a lot of patience to string. However with the advent of relatively low cost printers that will make high resolution parts, I am refining my design skills to design spoked wheels (it's not easy) that can be printed. I use Sketchup , Bilingham uses Fusion360, which is a better Cad program. But I'm pretty good at SU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurfalien Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/23/2019 at 10:53 PM, Casey said: Thanks for the clarification, Randy. I'm looking forward to seeing what you offer in the future. Well, I'm simply going to wait for stuff from Randy (MBW) as his offerings are top notch and his customer service is properly excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Fascinating! Every time I look the art has made another big leap! As we've wined about the younger generation not taking an interest in model building, this will be the medium that brings them in! FYI - Randy and Model Builders Warehouse will be at NNL East this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBcritter Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I've got a Lindberg 1/32 Ford Granada if one of you guys wants to scale it up to 1/25... bet you'll sell a bunch; just let me have one copy . Same goes for my 1/32 Aurora Alfa Romeo 2000 Spider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeBee Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 10:57 AM, Pico said: I had the rims and hubs printed, then hand strung them. They are not in my shop because it's necessary to have a jig to hold them and require a lot of patience to string. However with the advent of relatively low cost printers that will make high resolution parts, I am refining my design skills to design spoked wheels (it's not easy) that can be printed. I use Sketchup , Bilingham uses Fusion360, which is a better Cad program. But I'm pretty good at SU. OK. Thanks. Yeah, I've been stringing my own wires for years, which I really don't have the time and patience for anymore. I am currently drafting wires for the Southeast Finecast Vauxhall kit in SketchUp. I was initially just drafting the rims (and hubs) with "pre-drilled" holes to have printed (as I assume you did for your Duesenberg), but after seeing what Mr. Billingham has accomplished with his printed wires I've decided to take a shot at drafting and printing whole wire wheels as well. My next project is for a set of wheels for two Monogram Duesenbergs waiting in the wings, then a set of solid disc wheels for the Monogram Packard and accurate wheels for the Heller Type 50 Bugatti. And, yep, I'm fine using SketchUp. It's the only 3D program I use these days after years of 3D Studio Max, VIZ, Maya, etc. SketchUp has all of the basic architecture I need to model up parts, and with all of the extensions that are availble you can really take things pretty far. Thanks for getting back to me. PB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, PeeBee said: OK. Thanks. Yeah, I've been stringing my own wires for years, which I really don't have the time and patience for anymore. I am currently drafting wires for the Southeast Finecast Vauxhall kit in SketchUp. I was initially just drafting the rims (and hubs) with "pre-drilled" holes to have printed (as I assume you did for your Duesenberg), but after seeing what Mr. Billingham has accomplished with his printed wires I've decided to take a shot at drafting and printing whole wire wheels as well. My next project is for a set of wheels for two Monogram Duesenbergs waiting in the wings, then a set of solid disc wheels for the Monogram Packard and accurate wheels for the Heller Type 50 Bugatti. And, yep, I'm fine using SketchUp. It's the only 3D program I use these days after years of 3D Studio Max, VIZ, Maya, etc. SketchUp has all of the basic architecture I need to model up parts, and with all of the extensions that are availble you can really take things pretty far. Thanks for getting back to me. PB. I couldn't do what I do without SU's plugins, especially Solid Inspector 2, the stl importers and exporters and Bezier Curve. I've been doing printed rims with predrilled holes for several years but it will be printed with spokes from now on. Modelmartin will be producing a Bug T50 Profile (fastback) body with correct wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Since we've been discussing scanning, here is an example of a full scale scan that has been output as a model. I can't tell the scale or if it was cut out by cnc or 3d printed but I thought it may interest some of you guys. BTW, that stl file can be downloaded and printed; anyone for a 1973 Ranchero model? I have tried to do this at concours by taking lots of photos but the bright reflections ruined the production of the mesh. The light has to be broad and subdued, as on a cloudy day. Link: https://grabcad.com/library/ford-ranchero-73-3d-scan-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy D Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Casey, Apologies for not seeing your questions earlier. Those smooth grey rims were printed with a Wanhao Duplicator 7. 20 micron layers using 3DSR's ' ENG Tough ' resin. The D7 is actually the lowest cost machine of all our printers but works great for some parts. The following is an attempt to show what the 'finish' looks like on the Borrani wire wheels. I will start with the two machines used. The Wanhao D7 printed the larger backs and the knockoffs. For the fine detail needed on the front portion of the rims we used the Titan DLP printer using the orange resin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy D Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 The parts do not get any sanding. These pics show them as they are printed and finished.... I use Mr. Surfacer 1000 as the primer. The last two pics show after gloss black.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy D Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Here are the parts after Spatz Chrome..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SfanGoch Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Wow, Randy, those Borranis are gorgeous! When are they going to be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Superb work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps46 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Very impressive Randy. Please let us know when you will be taking orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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