Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Type 86 Kommandeurwagen (a 4x4 bug) and was used as a commander's vehicle, particularly in Africa. Right! Also known as a Kubelwagen in other variations. Basically a military chassis fitted with Beetle bodywork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 What's the thing attached to the side of this car called...and what does it do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Type 86 Kommandeurwagen (a 4x4 bug) and was used as a commander's vehicle, particularly in Africa. Or type 82e depending on the Chassis. This one looks to be riding high enough to be a type 82e. The type 86 is four wheel drive and the 82 is not. Also know as the Kdf wagen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Or type 82e depending on the Chassis. This one looks to be riding high enough to be a type 82e. The type 86 is four wheel drive and the 82 is not. Also know as the Kdf wagen. Actually that photo is an 82E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Right! Also known as a Kubelwagen in other variations. Basically a military chassis fitted with Beetle bodywork. Actually a Kubelwagen or bucket car was type 181 and was virtually a Thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Actually that photo is an 82E. Could be an E there was about 5 or 6 "Types" that were virtually the same thing: 82/E 86 87 98 which were all on the kubelwage platform. Some were indeed 4X4 types: 86, 87, 98 the E was the only one that wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george 53 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Isn't the VW golf pickup sportin a Water cooler/air con? We called em swamp coolers, but I don't know what their real names are. And I'm paintin the kitchen, Harry, THATS THE ONLY reason my fat lil butt is still up!It's 11:41 Deeetroit time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Actually a Kubelwagen or bucket car was type 181 and was virtually a Thing There were many variations. Some Kubelwagen chassis were fitted with Beetle bodywork (like the one in the photo I posted). The following body types and variants of the Type 82 Kubelwagen were produced: Type 62: Prototype Kübelwagen, constructed from May 15, 1938; preproduction models (1939) field tested in the invasion of Poland Type 67: 2-stretcher ambulance; Type 60 Beetle chassis with modified Type 82 body Type 82/0: Basic four seater Type 82/I: Three-seat radio car Type 82/2: Sirencar (Siemens motordriven siren mounted on passenger side in place of the rear seat) Type 82/3: Mock-up armoured vehicle/command car with machinegun-fitted turret over the cabin Type 82/5: Kübelwagen chassis with the Type 60 LO Lieferwagen (open pickup truck) body [4] Type 82/6: Tropical version sedan-body box van Type 82/7: Three-seat 'Command car' made up of a Type 82 chassis, fitted with a Beetle body and roll-up canvas roof section. These three-seaters had a co-drivers seat with fully reclining backrest for the commander. Type 82/8: Like Type 82/0 but had a open body made of wood Type 82/E: Kübelwagen chassis with Beetle body (688 manufactured) Type 86: All-wheel drive prototype (6 fabricated) Type 87: 'Kommandeurwagen' Type 86 4x4 Kübelwagen chassis with Beetle command car body. Fitted with running boards, under-hood-mounted spare tire (accompanied by a gas can, a jack, a small tool kit and a shovel, and widened fenders for its larger-diameter Kronprinz (Crown Prince) off-road tires, some were provided to preferred officers, who could push through virtually any kind of terrain with them (667 produced) [5] Type 89: Fitted with an experimental automatic transmission Type 98: 4x4 Kübelwagen-chassis with a Beetle body Type 106: Fitted with an experimental transmission (assumedly different from the Type 89) Type 107: Fitted with a turbocharger Type 115: Fitted with a supercharger Type 126: Fitted with a fully-synchronized gearbox (assumedly different from the Type 278) Type 155/1: Half-track / snow-track Kübelwagen prototype. Pictures of several track-set designs exist [6], although it is possible that these were consecutively fitted to the same prototype. Trials proved that the Type 155 was able to cover the most difficult terrain, but the modifications necessary to the standard Kübelwagen were extensive and the resulting vehicle was both very slow and forbiddingly inefficient. Type 157: Railway car equipment, used for Types 82 and 87 Type 164: Six-wheeled, twin engine, dual-control prototype; never entered production Type 177: Fitted with a 5-speed transmission (as opposed to the standard 4-speed unit) Type 179: Fitted with fuel-injected Volkswagen engine Type 235: Fitted for power by an electric motor Type 239: Fitted for power by a wood-gas generator mounted on the nose (also listed as Type 230) Type 240: Fitted for power by bottled gas Type 276: Type 82 fitted with a towing hook Type 278: Fitted with synchronized gearbox Type 307: Fitted with a heavy-duty carburetor Type 309: Prototype fitted with a diesel engine Type 331: Prototype fitted for power by a "native fuel system" (acetylene gas) engine (also listed as Type 231) Type 332: Fitted for power by anthracite coal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 When better cars are built Buick will build them One down, two to go. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 What's the thing attached to the side of this car called...and what does it do? Can't think of the brand names for these off-hand, but basically those were portable airconditioning units for cars, which were introduced in the late 1930's. They used several means of cooling incoming air (which came in the front, circulated over cooling fins, then into the car via a sheetmetal chute that went through the slightly opened side window. They were made to use Dry Ice, ordinary frozen water, and also as "swamp" or evaporative coolers, depending on what part of the country you were wanting it for. Often times they were rented by the day, from one gas station to another down the road, of the same brand name--just turn in the warmed up unit, get your deposit back, or pay another rental charge, take a fresh one to the next city or town. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick F40 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Yeah and you put ice in them really cool, I saw it on Livin the Low Life and even cooler to see one on a Rabbit pickup yes George a Rabbit There were many variations. Some Kubelwagen chassis were fitted with Beetle bodywork (like the one in the photo I posted). The following body types and variants of the Type 82 Kubelwagen were produced: Type 62: Prototype Kübelwagen, constructed from May 15, 1938; preproduction models (1939) field tested in the invasion of Poland Type 67: 2-stretcher ambulance; Type 60 Beetle chassis with modified Type 82 body Type 82/0: Basic four seater Type 82/I: Three-seat radio car Type 82/2: Sirencar (Siemens motordriven siren mounted on passenger side in place of the rear seat) Type 82/3: Mock-up armoured vehicle/command car with machinegun-fitted turret over the cabin Type 82/5: Kübelwagen chassis with the Type 60 LO Lieferwagen (open pickup truck) body [4] Type 82/6: Tropical version sedan-body box van Type 82/7: Three-seat 'Command car' made up of a Type 82 chassis, fitted with a Beetle body and roll-up canvas roof section. These three-seaters had a co-drivers seat with fully reclining backrest for the commander. Type 82/8: Like Type 82/0 but had a open body made of wood Type 82/E: Kübelwagen chassis with Beetle body (688 manufactured) Type 86: All-wheel drive prototype (6 fabricated) Type 87: 'Kommandeurwagen' Type 86 4x4 Kübelwagen chassis with Beetle command car body. Fitted with running boards, under-hood-mounted spare tire (accompanied by a gas can, a jack, a small tool kit and a shovel, and widened fenders for its larger-diameter Kronprinz (Crown Prince) off-road tires, some were provided to preferred officers, who could push through virtually any kind of terrain with them (667 produced) [5] Type 89: Fitted with an experimental automatic transmission Type 98: 4x4 Kübelwagen-chassis with a Beetle body Type 106: Fitted with an experimental transmission (assumedly different from the Type 89) Type 107: Fitted with a turbocharger Type 115: Fitted with a supercharger Type 126: Fitted with a fully-synchronized gearbox (assumedly different from the Type 278) Type 155/1: Half-track / snow-track Kübelwagen prototype. Pictures of several track-set designs exist [6], although it is possible that these were consecutively fitted to the same prototype. Trials proved that the Type 155 was able to cover the most difficult terrain, but the modifications necessary to the standard Kübelwagen were extensive and the resulting vehicle was both very slow and forbiddingly inefficient. Type 157: Railway car equipment, used for Types 82 and 87 Type 164: Six-wheeled, twin engine, dual-control prototype; never entered production Type 177: Fitted with a 5-speed transmission (as opposed to the standard 4-speed unit) Type 179: Fitted with fuel-injected Volkswagen engine Type 235: Fitted for power by an electric motor Type 239: Fitted for power by a wood-gas generator mounted on the nose (also listed as Type 230) Type 240: Fitted for power by bottled gas Type 276: Type 82 fitted with a towing hook Type 278: Fitted with synchronized gearbox Type 307: Fitted with a heavy-duty carburetor Type 309: Prototype fitted with a diesel engine Type 331: Prototype fitted for power by a "native fuel system" (acetylene gas) engine (also listed as Type 231) Type 332: Fitted for power by anthracite coal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 George and Art: you got it! Swamp cooler! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Which car manufacturer has recently introduced the new corporate slogan "Drive@Earth"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick F40 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Mitsu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 George and Art: you got it! Swamp cooler! Harry, Around this part of the country, you could buy one of those, under the brand name Kar-Kool, which you filled with ice to provide the cooling. In some areas, they were available for rental, using dry ice as the coolant (believe it or not, there was a time when dry ice was readily available in just about any town of any size at all. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 There were many variations. Some Kubelwagen chassis were fitted with Beetle bodywork (like the one in the photo I posted). The following body types and variants of the Type 82 Kubelwagen were produced: Type 332: Fitted for power by anthracite coal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Harry, ...believe it or not, there was a time when dry ice was readily available in just about any town of any size at all. Art Yeah, and "Coke" really had coke in it!!! Ah, the good ol' days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick F40 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 what....the.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 what....the.... Yeah those Germans had all kinds of alt fuel cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Right! Also known as a Kubelwagen in other variations. Basically a military chassis fitted with Beetle bodywork. Actually, the VW Kubelwagen was the standard Beetle platform, with unique bodywork added to it. Kubelwagen also had slightly different rear suspension geometry, and the front torsion bars set differently for greater ground clearance, as well as larger, offroad tires. Kommandanteuren used the same suspension setup as the Kubelwagen. What is interesting is, "Kubelwagen" is almost a generic term, used by every maker of offroad battlefield wheeled command cars supplied to the Wehrmacht prior to, and during WW-II in Europe. The wood, charcoal, and coal gasification units were an aftermarket device, supplied not only to the German Army, but also in limited numbers to favored civilians as well. They weren't unique to Germany though, as this type of fuel-making system was also marketed in Switzerland, France, the UK, Ireland and Sweden during hostilities, for civilian use. Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 OK, Time for some 1930's car makes, each one begun as a cheaper alternative to their original, well-known makes. How many can you match up to their original, "parent car marque"? Hint: All these are prior to 1939! Viking Pontiac Mercury (2nd hint! This is not a Ford product!) Lafayette Erskine Rockne Terraplane Zephyr LaSalle Whippet Essex Art Still no takers? Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry P. Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Actually, the VW Kubelwagen was the standard Beetle platform, with unique bodywork added to it. Kubelwagen also had slightly different rear suspension geometry, and the front torsion bars set differently for greater ground clearance, as well as larger, offroad tires. Kommandanteuren used the same suspension setup as the Kubelwagen. Art The VW factory had only produced a very small number of Beetles by the time WWII began in September 1939 (well, technically, at that time it wasn't WWII yet, it was the invasion of Poland... but things soon evolved into full-blown warfare). Anyway, production of civilian Beetles quickly shifted to Kubelwagen production. Kubelwagen development had actually already been underway, with a prototype version, Type 62, shown in 1938. "Production" versions were given actual field testing during the 1939 invasion of Poland, after which the military asked for some changes in order to improve performance, including new axles with gear-reduction hubs for better performance off-road, revised suspension, different (larger) wheels, etc, etc. The Kubelwagen was not really built on the "standard" Beetle platform, but a modified version of it... which was further modified after September 1939. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelmartin Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Ok Art! I will take a stab at these not using reference material - strictly memory!! Viking ?? Pontiac Oakland Mercury (2nd hint! This is not a Ford product!) ?? Lafayette Nash Erskine Studebaker Rockne Studebaker Terraplane Hudson Zephyr Lincoln LaSalle Cadillac Whippet Willys Essex Hudson There was a farmer near where I grew up who had an Essex-Terraplane in his front yard! How did I do? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Ok Art! I will take a stab at these not using reference material - strictly memory!! Viking ?? Pontiac Oakland Mercury (2nd hint! This is not a Ford product!) ?? Lafayette Nash Erskine Studebaker Rockne Studebaker Terraplane Hudson Zephyr Lincoln LaSalle Cadillac Whippet Willys Essex Hudson There was a farmer near where I grew up who had an Essex-Terraplane in his front yard! How did I do? Andy, pretty good! I'm gonna go ahead and give the two you missed (one will really surprise a lot of people here!) Viking--Oldsmobile (actually used the same basic V8 engine that Oakland introduced in 1929 The Mercury in question? Produced by CHEVROLET in 1931! Now, try these two: The lowest priced car produced by ___________ was the 110. Who produced it? Art Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 OK, Now, many people have heard the slogan "The car that made good in a day", right? OK, now which car maker had that slogan. Who was it? And, for extra credit, how did they come up with that advertising line? Art Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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