Joe Handley Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Sounds like the fire is about out, though everything inside is likely toast, literally and figuratively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Joe Handley said: Sounds like the fire is about out, though everything inside is likely toast, literally and figuratively. Mmmmm...toast. Edited February 22, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy image size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTrucker Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Plot thickens. The ship sinks unexpectedly shortly after salvage crew boarded! Hmmmmmm.....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 hours ago, OldTrucker said: Plot thickens. The ship sinks unexpectedly shortly after salvage crew boarded! Hmmmmmm.....LOL Salt water is a good way to neutralize Lithium batteries😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLMFAA1 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Neptune's auto sales have been resupplied. Moving up to the exotic market. Question is who will dive for all the chips in the cars? The eels now have a recharging station greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stitchdup Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 2/20/2022 at 6:31 PM, bobthehobbyguy said: True. But adequate training costs money. If there is no consequence for poor training there is no incentive to do it. Most companies feel it's easier to clean up the mess rather than do it right. the training for a fire on a ship is to abandon ship unless it is a small fire like a bin or something. On this ship since it has an enclosed deck and the type of fire there is nothing you can do safely as the fire can only be put out with specialist dry chemicals. all you can do is leave. I can guarentee everybody on the ship will do fire training at least every 2 weeks alternated with mob drills, and the fire suppresion system would not have been usuable if there are crew on the deck as they can put out an olympic swimming pool full of water every 5 seconds (at least on the ferries i work on). also to sail in europe requires a lot of safety stuff before they will let you into port and if you dont have it you cant sail until you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stitchdup Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 2/20/2022 at 5:09 PM, Ace-Garageguy said: True, but what's always hard for me to totally swallow in "accidental" catastrophic losses like this is the apparent lack of training and preparedness of a crew to deal with what would initially be a small, easily controlled fire. Shades of the Bonhomme Richard debacle. “ 'Although the fire was started by an act of arson, the ship was lost due to an inability to extinguish the fire,' according to the investigation, which was written by Vice Adm. Scott Conn, then-commander of Third Fleet. ...the Navy’s investigation into the fire found that the Bonhomme Richard’s crew was ill-prepared and under-trained to contain the fire once it broke out. 'Once the fire started, the response effort was placed in the hands of inadequately trained and drilled personnel from a disparate set of uncoordinated organizations that had not fully exercised together and were unfamiliar with basic issues to include the roles and responsibilities of the various responding entities,' reads the investigation." The crew would have been fire trained or the boat would not have left germany, maritime and euro laws are pretty strict over here and not being trained in fires would get a ship detained until it complies with the law. if a ship has safety deficencies and docks in europe it gets detained, and it doesn't matter where the ship is registered. you could sail a ship thats safe in say bermuda to europe but if it doesn't meet the euro safety laws it will get detained. I guarentee fire training was current but not specialised in fighting lithium fires as they need special chemicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSheep214 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 All the more the reason why I will not buy or own an electric automobile. Now imagine if it was your own electric car’s lithium battery starts to burn unbeknownst to you while you and your family sleep, inside your garage. Imagine the devastation it can cause. But hey.... never say never but it could happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamsuperdan Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 11 hours ago, BlackSheep214 said: All the more the reason why I will not buy or own an electric automobile. Now imagine if it was your own electric car’s lithium battery starts to burn unbeknownst to you while you and your family sleep, inside your garage. Imagine the devastation it can cause. But hey.... never say never but it could happen though. Really no different than any of the hundreds of other things that could go wrong in the night and start a fire while you sleep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Wagon Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 8 hours ago, iamsuperdan said: Really no different than any of the hundreds of other things that could go wrong in the night and start a fire while you sleep. The point though is that a few of those EVs (whether design flaw or manufacturing error) seem to have the potential to spontaneously combust while parked and turned “off”. I recall seeing videos of Tesla Model S’ doing exactly that a few years ago. How often do conventionally powered cars and trucks catch fire while parked and not running (and, like these EVs, with no outside interference)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Smoke Wagon said: ...How often do conventionally powered cars and trucks catch fire while parked and not running (and, like these EVs, with no outside interference)? Ummm...never? This is the only one even remotely close, and it's entirely different. https://nypost.com/2018/12/21/ford-recalling-874000-trucks-over-spontaneous-combustion-fears/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodent Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Hyundai/Kia is currently having issues with their ABS modules causing fires when parked. I believe that Ford had leaky cruise control brake switches that caused fires when parked and ignition switches that could cause fires when parked or driving. I am sure there are others, so not never. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/park-recalled-hyundai-kia-vehicles-outside-due-to-fire-risk-a1002120529/ Edited March 3, 2022 by Rodent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rodent said: ...so not never. Well, that's what I get for posting before I actually know what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, Rodent said: Hyundai/Kia is currently having issues with their ABS modules causing fires when parked. I believe that Ford had leaky cruise control brake switches that caused fires when parked and ignition switches that could cause fires when parked or driving. I am sure there are others, so not never. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/park-recalled-hyundai-kia-vehicles-outside-due-to-fire-risk-a1002120529/ Another example I’ve read about is the power seat switches on older Lincolns. Jeep had a recall for something under the hood causing random fires maybe 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Ambrose Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 50 minutes ago, Smoke Wagon said: The point though is that a few of those EVs (whether design flaw or manufacturing error) seem to have the potential to spontaneously combust while parked and turned “off”. I recall seeing videos of Tesla Model S’ doing exactly that a few years ago. How often do conventionally powered cars and trucks catch fire while parked and not running (and, like these EVs, with no outside interference)? We actually lost our pickup truck that way. Came home, parked it on the street, and didn't realize anything was going on until the fire truck rolled up! Never did figure out what failed but regular cars will flambé with great vigor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Wagon Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dave Ambrose said: We actually lost our pickup truck that way. Came home, parked it on the street, and didn't realize anything was going on until the fire truck rolled up! Never did figure out what failed but regular cars will flambé with great vigor. I’m sorry to hear that. The positive thing is that nobody got hurt. I’m sure it’s frustrating to not know what caused it. Did the firemen find out where on the truck the fire started? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Wagon Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Ummm...never? Sort of the point I was trying to make, very rarely (other than reading Dave’s reply) have I ever read or heard anything about a ICE car just randomly catching fire whilst parked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M. Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Some reports say the total cost for the loss of all 4000 cars will run about $450 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollySipper Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 43 minutes ago, Smoke Wagon said: Sort of the point I was trying to make, very rarely (other than reading Dave’s reply) have I ever read or heard anything about a ICE car just randomly catching fire whilst parked. Go buy a starter from Advance if you want to see something catch fire! I've seen them engage out of nowhere and be trying to turn the engine........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Wagon Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, JollySipper said: I've seen them engage out of nowhere and be trying to turn the engine........ Engage out of nowhere while sitting alone, engine off, with no interference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodent Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) This touches on the ignition switch recall and goes on to discuss the cruise control deactivation switch debacle. Not sure how many fires were started, but Ford recalled millions of cars because of it. Having a leaky switch with electrons on one side and flammable brake fluid on the other is bad, m'kay? https://www.autosafety.org/ford-cruise-control-deactivation-switch-recalls-and-history/ All this said, an ICE vehicle fire is quite a bit easier to put out than an EV fire. Edited March 3, 2022 by Rodent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamsuperdan Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 The was a company I used to use for building service bodies. Had two of these trucks catch fire thanks to the build quality. Two extra batteries in the back and a metal shelf above the batteries that wasn't secured. Hit a bump, shelf falls off and lands on the batteries, connecting the poles. Fire ensues. So two customers with $150k service trucks gone. Plus all the equipment inside the trucks. So mystery fires can happen. As Steve said above though, ICE fires are easier to deal with than EV fires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollySipper Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Smoke Wagon said: Engage out of nowhere while sitting alone, engine off, with no interference? Yep. Both times it was a GM product...... I guess something shorted out in the solenoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Handley Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: Ummm...never? This is the only one even remotely close, and it's entirely different. https://nypost.com/2018/12/21/ford-recalling-874000-trucks-over-spontaneous-combustion-fears/ Ford had a major issues with fires years ago, IIRC, it went back farther than 1992 as shown in this. https://www.autosafety.org/ford-cruise-control-deactivation-switch-recalls-and-history/ BMW was also having issues with this, not just on the BMWs as shown in the articles, but with Minis too. https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story?id=50922136 Edited March 3, 2022 by Joe Handley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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