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I drive trucks for a living.

It's amazing to me how many people will pass me on a downhill... and then slow down force me to hit the brakes. Your tempting fate if you expect a fully loaded 75,000 pound cement truck to stop before it kills your kids in the backseat.

I have also been cut off by cops ( of all people) turning right from the left lane right in front of me.

I no longer bother trying to stop, I couldn't if I wanted to.

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Right on red you are suppose to stop then go. Not in upstate NY. You are suppose to stop completely at stop signs. Not in upstate NY. You are suppose to stop at red lights. Not in upstate NY. You are not suppose to pass cars on the right hand should at 65 MPH. Not in upstate NY.  And I find the bigger the pick up or SUV it is. The bigger the idiot driving it is. 

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Unfortunately, this style of driving is more prevalent that you may think. Stop signs seem to be considered only a suggestion. With the advent of ABS braking systems, it is far safer to make right turns thru red lights than it used to be. As for passing another car on the right, what are you supposed to do if the other car is sitting in the fast lane going half of the posted speed limit?

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2 hours ago, espo said:

Unfortunately, this style of driving is more prevalent that you may think. Stop signs seem to be considered only a suggestion.

But it is still breaking the traffic rules.  Why not just change all stops to yield signs then?  There are reasons stop signs  are used instead of yield signs.

2 hours ago, espo said:

With the advent of ABS braking systems, it is far safer to make right turns thru red lights than it used to be.

How do you figure?  What does ABS have to do with right turn on red?  You must be joking.

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1 hour ago, peteski said:

But it is still breaking the traffic rules.  Why not just change all stops to yield signs then?  There are reasons stop signs  are used instead of yield signs.

How do you figure?  What does ABS have to do with right turn on red?  You must be joking.

 Drivers running red lights have a better chance of not getting hit since late model cars usually have ABS brakes. 

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4 hours ago, espo said:

Unfortunately, this style of driving is more prevalent that you may think. Stop signs seem to be considered only a suggestion. With the advent of ABS braking systems, it is far safer to make right turns thru red lights than it used to be. As for passing another car on the right, what are you supposed to do if the other car is sitting in the fast lane going half of the posted speed limit?

It was an 8 lane highway David. 4 lanes each way. Bumper to bumper on the Mass Pike. It wasn't someone hogging the right lane. 

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48 minutes ago, espo said:

 Drivers running red lights have a better chance of not getting hit since late model cars usually have ABS brakes. 

Um, that is a very interesting way of looking at this.  So you are saying that the driver who has the green light, due to the ABS brakes, will be able to avoid hitting the right-on-red turning idiot driver?   That is one crazy logic!  Drivers should obey traffic rules, or be punished severely enough to teach them to obey the rules.  This "it is all about me" and "I need to get to my destination 15 seconds faster" mentality needs to be expunged. We need for the was to be enforced better than they are.  Otherwise it becomes free for all.

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1 hour ago, espo said:

 Drivers running red lights have a better chance of not getting hit since late model cars usually have ABS brakes. 

Seriously??? ABS is for slippery conditions, not running red lights. It's not going to keep someone from getting hit.

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The tailgaters are the one that drive me the most nuts. Lots of narrow two lanes roads with limited visibility ahead and mostly 35 to 40 mph. An added attraction is a fairly large deer population, which I've had to make a a panic stop when they've come out from the brush on the side road. There's no way they are going to avoid rear ending me if I have to avoid something.

It's gotten to the point I chain a bunch of errands together to avoid the gauntlet  of stupidity they any drive has become these days.

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Man, I seem to have set off a storm of question concerning my post on this subject. I should have made it clear that I was trying to show what I believe is the mind set of all too many drivers. 

19 hours ago, ewetwo said:

It was an 8 lane highway David. 4 lanes each way. Bumper to bumper on the Mass Pike. It wasn't someone hogging the right lane. 

First too David Gurga. What I was putting forward was that I was in complete agreement with what you were saying. Obviously, I should have mentioned that I was putting forward what I think the logic might be of the drivers you were describing. I didn't realize that your area had four lane hiways since I'm

 

18 hours ago, peteski said:

Um, that is a very interesting way of looking at this.  So you are saying that the driver who has the green light, due to the ABS brakes, will be able to avoid hitting the right-on-red turning idiot driver?   That is one crazy logic!  Drivers should obey traffic rules, or be punished severely enough to teach them to obey the rules.  This "it is all about me" and "I need to get to my destination 15 seconds faster" mentality needs to be expunged. We need for the was to be enforced better than they are.  Otherwise it becomes free for all.

 

17 hours ago, Classicgas said:

Seriously??? ABS is for slippery conditions, not running red lights. It's not going to keep someone from getting hit.

accustomed to the 3 lanes in this area. As for the ABS brake comment, again this is the mindset of the offending driver. The offender in this case may be thinking, provided they even bothered to look, that the driver with the right of way will be able to slow down or even stop without hitting them. Also, on the ABS subject. ABS brakes are a great assist in stopping or slowing down in driving conditions that have detreated because of weather or other conditions. Normally you wouldn't experience the use if ABS in dry road conditions unless a driver runs a red light or pulls through a stop sign directly in front of you. As for passing on the right-hand lanes, the problem seems to be that many think that they can drive whatever speed the want in any lane they want on a multilane hiway. Every state driver's manual I have ever seen addresses this at some point. Locally here all too many drivers roll through a red light and only stop if someone is coming with the right of way. Stop signs are treated in much the same manor, and as for Yield signs they seem to ignore them altogether. I would like to see law enforcement become more aggressive in sighting these drivers that aren't following the basic rules of the road.  

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44 minutes ago, espo said:

accustomed to the 3 lanes in this area. As for the ABS brake comment, again this is the mindset of the offending driver. The offender in this case may be thinking, provided they even bothered to look, that the driver with the right of way will be able to slow down or even stop without hitting them.

I'm absolutely convinced that ABS brakes of the crossing traffic vehicles are nowhere on the mind of the offending driver (who's either running a red light or turning right on red).  What is on their mind (assuming that there is actually something on the minds of those buttwipes) is to get to their destination quicker.  No time to wait 30 seconds, or stop and look for crossing traffic before turning right on red.  Some of those idiots most likely don't know anything about ABS brakes or even that cars are equipped with ABS.  You give them *WAY* too much credit.  Those are usually selfish mindless dweebs!

Speaking of ABS application on dry pavement, if there are undulation (waves) in the pavement, they actually increase the breaking distance. Speaking from experience here.

52 minutes ago, espo said:

I would like to see law enforcement become more aggressive in sighting these drivers that aren't following the basic rules of the road.  

That's something I mentioned in my earlier post and something we agree on.  Traffic law enforcement seems to be pretty much non existent.

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2 hours ago, espo said:

Man, I seem to have set off a storm of question concerning my post on this subject. I should have made it clear that I was trying to show what I believe is the mind set of all too many drivers. 

First too David Gurga. What I was putting forward was that I was in complete agreement with what you were saying. Obviously, I should have mentioned that I was putting forward what I think the logic might be of the drivers you were describing. I didn't realize that your area had four lane hiways since I'm

 

 

accustomed to the 3 lanes in this area. As for the ABS brake comment, again this is the mindset of the offending driver. The offender in this case may be thinking, provided they even bothered to look, that the driver with the right of way will be able to slow down or even stop without hitting them. Also, on the ABS subject. ABS brakes are a great assist in stopping or slowing down in driving conditions that have detreated because of weather or other conditions. Normally you wouldn't experience the use if ABS in dry road conditions unless a driver runs a red light or pulls through a stop sign directly in front of you. As for passing on the right-hand lanes, the problem seems to be that many think that they can drive whatever speed the want in any lane they want on a multilane hiway. Every state driver's manual I have ever seen addresses this at some point. Locally here all too many drivers roll through a red light and only stop if someone is coming with the right of way. Stop signs are treated in much the same manor, and as for Yield signs they seem to ignore them altogether. I would like to see law enforcement become more aggressive in sighting these drivers that aren't following the basic rules of the road.  

Sorry David. I failed in that I didn't fully describe my post correctly. If I had described the situation better. It would have been clearer to everyone. Apologizes.

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2 hours ago, peteski said:

I'm absolutely convinced that ABS brakes of the crossing traffic vehicles are nowhere on the mind of the offending driver (who's either running a red light or turning right on red).  What is on their mind (assuming that there is actually something on the minds of those buttwipes) is to get to their destination quicker.  No time to wait 30 seconds, or stop and look for crossing traffic before turning right on red.  Some of those idiots most likely don't know anything about ABS brakes or even that cars are equipped with ABS.  You give them *WAY* too much credit.  Those are usually selfish mindless dweebs!

Speaking of ABS application on dry pavement, if there are undulation (waves) in the pavement, they actually increase the breaking distance. Speaking from experience here.

That's something I mentioned in my earlier post and something we agree on.  Traffic law enforcement seems to be pretty much non existent.

Yep. The average flow of traffic here is easily 80 mph, even in the slow lane it's 70-75. And posted speeds don't matter.

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