MONOGRAM FORD F-250 QUESTION

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I just got the new release of the Monogram Ford F-250 "Super Duty" pick-up. If you lay the box down on a table with the front facing up, the left half of the long sides protrudes on both sides. It looks like the body might have been packed that way... not sure. Did anyone else get this kit and notice the same thing? Was everything ok inside when you opened it? I bought my kit for use in a trade so I can't open it. I just want to be sure what I noticed was normal.

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/mon/mon857212.htm?source=froogle

Also, is pick up an 88?

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anyone?

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I'm not really understanding the question.

THe box it came in doesn't look Square?

my box looks fine.

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Yeah, my box was fine too (as you can see in my review thread). Also, it can be from anywhere between '87 and '91, though I believe the copyright stamp says 1991, so that's what I'm claiming it as.

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Only thing I found wrong is that it has a 4x4 decal and it is

a 2 wheel drive truck am I missing a axle or is it only

2 wheel drive? My kit is ok other than that

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Only thing I found wrong is that it has a 4x4 decal and it is

a 2 wheel drive truck am I missing a axle or is it only

2 wheel drive? My kit is ok other than that

Yeah the kit is supposed to be 2WD with no 4WD setup offered. Granted it does make them oddly placed, but they are great if you convert it to a 4WD (like I am), or if you want to pretend it's a 4WD.

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Only thing I found wrong is that it has a 4x4 decal and it is

a 2 wheel drive truck am I missing a axle or is it only

2 wheel drive? My kit is ok other than that

No, you are NOT missing anything. These kits, the F250 or F350 dually, have never been a 4X4, I don't understand the "4X4" decal, either! That is one thing holding up my build of my 1:1 scale dually,

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no 4X4 and no diesel engine!

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How can I convert it cheap? I am on a budget and dont have

the money to buy the ones I find online. I was told at hobby

shop it was a 4X4 that is why I bought it

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How can I convert it cheap? I am on a budget and dont have

the money to buy the ones I find online. I was told at hobby

shop it was a 4X4 that is why I bought it

If you have any spare axles like a Dana 60 froma muscle car in your parts box, that may be a start. The idea I have for making my 1:1 truck is using the spare stock Dana 60 axle that was included in AMT's 1970 Dodge Coronet Super Bee Pro Street kit and redoing the axle tubes to make it a front drive axle. On the F250, though, if you can find a front axle from Monogram's old Ford Bronco kit (ask in "Wanted", someone may have one), you may be able to use it. The F250s could either have a solid or independent front suspension on the 4X4, so either would be correct. My 1:1 has the solid axle because it was a heavy duty. Also, Gary, if you need any detail pictures of the front end of my F350, just let me know and I'll go out to the driveway and get some for you.

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Yeah that might work have to see what i have in my partsbox

want a solid axle that is heavy duty. Thinking of making it a

tow rig for my F150 Flareside 4X4. Send some pics it might help

me see what to do on my model

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Yeah that might work have to see what i have in my partsbox

want a solid axle that is heavy duty. Thinking of making it a

tow rig for my F150 Flareside 4X4. Send some pics it might help

me see what to do on my model

Ok, I'll PM you some pics tomorrow, just don't mind the grease and leaking oil!!

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Thanks will look for them think i migh try to make a axle for it

I also have to dig and find my transfer case in a box of models

packed fro a move after the college quarter is over.

That is ok understand that vehicles have leaks my car has a few

worst is the oil been sitting broke down since October and I just

checked the oil and it is so low I can not find it.

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Thanks will look for them think i migh try to make a axle for it

I also have to dig and find my transfer case in a box of models

packed fro a move after the college quarter is over.

That is ok understand that vehicles have leaks my car has a few

worst is the oil been sitting broke down since October and I just

checked the oil and it is so low I can not find it.

That's not good! Of course, my truck has a diesel, so when it needs oil, it takes a gallon!! Luckily it holds three gallons!

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Zuk & others;

what I mean is.. when I feel along the long sides of the box, I can feel and see some protrusion; it seems like a tree, perhaps, is pushing against both sides. Did anyone else notice that?

That was a good review and I liked the pics too, YJ.

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Zuk & others;

what I mean is.. when I feel along the long sides of the box, I can feel and see some protrusion; it seems like a tree, perhaps, is pushing against both sides. Did anyone else notice that?

That was a good review and I liked the pics too, YJ.

I haven't got the new F250 yet, but I have a newer issue of the Dodge Ram VTS that does the same thing. The sprue is just a little bigger than the box they put the VTS in.

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well ya better open it up and square it away.

sometimes things shift in shipping..

Maybe nothing but better safe than sorry.

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On the solid axle 4x4 F250 and F350s is the front axle the same as the rear?

Matt if you take the photos of your truck, I'd be interested in seeing them too, maybe you could post them here or in the 1-1 reference?

Thanks

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On the solid axle 4x4 F250 and F350s is the front axle the same as the rear?

Matt if you take the photos of your truck, I'd be interested in seeing them too, maybe you could post them here or in the 1-1 reference?

Thanks

No problem, Aaron, I enjoy helping in any way I can, I'll send you a PM with the pics, too. I may also post them in 1:1. As for your question on the front and rear axles, it really depends on how the truck was spec'ed. The Haynes manual I have for 80-95? Trucks and Broncos has about three or four front axles and about the same rear axles (I think) described, I'll get it out tomorrow to check for sure. I think for the F350 the book said it have a Dana 60 Monobeam (which is the straight axle) in front and anywhere from a Dana 60, Dana 70, or a Ford 10.25 (10.25 for 10.25 inch ring gear) in the rear. I think the one in the Revell/Monogram kit is the Ford 10.25, I'll also check in the morning on that, but it looks very similar to the rear axle in my 1:1. These are not the greatest pics, I'll have better and more detailed for you later, but shows the comparison of the front and rear axle center sections.

Front Dana 60:

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Rear Ford 10.25:

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And, as I told Gary, don't mind the oil leaks!

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So the front diff is centered? That certainly makes it easier to use an axle from another kit, the off center ones require a lot more fiddling with.

Guess I need to find a kit with a Dana 60 to borrow.

Thanks for the pics, if you take somemore something with a little more of a side angle of the springs would be nice, thanks.

Your comment about the oil reminded me of a funny experience. I started my career as a volunteer firefighter, and one of our engines had a Detroit 8V71 in it. So one of the newer guys notices during a check that the motor is low on oil, it is a little below the 1 qt line, so he adds a quart of oil and calls it good (doesn't recheck the dipstick). The next week he finds it is at the 1qt low line again and the truck had only been driven something like 10 miles, so he called the Chief thinking the truck was seriously burning oil and very sick, that is when we were all taught that Detroit Diesel marks the dipstick with 1 gallon increments and use something like 11 gallons of oil at an oil change.

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So the front diff is centered? That certainly makes it easier to use an axle from another kit, the off center ones require a lot more fiddling with.

Guess I need to find a kit with a Dana 60 to borrow.

Thanks for the pics, if you take somemore something with a little more of a side angle of the springs would be nice, thanks.

No, the front diff sit to the drivers side, Aaron. I'm getting ready to go out and get you and Gary the better pics now, but here's a not so good one from the front:

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Yup, 99% of the time the diff is one one side or the other. Only on vehicles with a high lift such as a Unimog is the diff in the center. This is for two reasons: 1) so the diff doesn't interfere with the oil pan, and of course 2) it's tougher to have a center driveshaft going towards the front.

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all the Unimog's ive seen, which isn't alot, have offset axles. i'm using some of those axles under my '50 Ford F-1 project from a ROG Unimog kit and a local fellow used to have a yard full of the 1:1 trucks.

006, i agree, i'd open the box the be sure there isn't something getting squished in there. your trade partner i think would appreciate you doing so, even if it meant he got an "open" kit instead of a sealed one.

Dave

Guess I was thinking of monster truck axles. In any case though, I do know a few of the trees do seem a bit wider than the box, so they may be pushing out the sides a bit. Otherwise just open it up and look as mentioned.

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I see it is way off to one side, that is more what I expected.

The USFS used Ford F800s converted to 4x4 but they had more centered diffs. It made them really stand out because they were a good 18" taller than the 2wd trucks. They had to be this tall so the diff would clear the oil pan. The 4x4 IHs were much less obvious sitting in a crowd since they were just a few inches taller.

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Aaron and Gary, you have PM's!! By the way, I checked the Monogram kit, and the rear axle in the kit is a Ford 10.25 unit, I compared the kit axle to this pick of my 1:1's rear axle:

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Everything, including the number of bolts holding the rear cover on matches perfectly!

As for 4X4 front axles, I checked my Haynes repair manual for Ford Pick-ups & Broncos 1980 thru 1996, and the available axles it covers are as follows, quoted from the manual:

"Four types of Dana front-drive are available for Ford 4X4 truck application. The Dana 44-IFS (independent front suspension) is available on Bronco and F150 4X4s. The Dana 44-IFS-HD (heavy duty) is available on the F250 4X4s. The Dana 50-IFS was available on F250 and F350 4x4s and is now an option on the F250 only. Finally, the Dana model 60 Monobeam axle is now standard on the F350 4x4."

"All IFS axles are basically alike with only minor differences among the three. The 44-IFS is on vehicles equipped with coil front springs. The 44-IFS-HD and 50-IFS are on models with leaf front springs. The model 60 Monobeam is a solid axle design mechanically identical to the model 60 rear axle."

For those of you who want the IFS axles, Monogram's early 80's Ford Bronco sound s like a great source, and for those who have the F350 dually kit and want (or have to have 4x4 in my case), the kit best to source the Dana 60 center section from would be this kit (where my front axle is coming from):

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It has a stock Dana 60 rear and cover as spare parts!

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You could probably use the stock rear springs from it to use as front springs. Sometime shortly I will post some pics of the front Dana 60

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and Ford 10.25 Rear axle

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in "1:1 Reference" so anyone wanting to do a solid front 4x4 axle swap can have a guide to go by.

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For those of you who want the IFS axles, Monogram's early 80's Ford Bronco sound s like a great source

AMT Bronco is better actually, since it has the separate beams, whereas the Revell/Monogram Bronco has it all in one piece.

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