Chuck Kourouklis Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Okay, so let's take "stupid" out of Duff's first sentence and run it again: "Please tell me what other industry, service, or ANYTHING where the attitude of "We should just he be happy we're getting it at all!!!" exists in...name one...and GO!" That becomes a lot more difficult to address, like it or not. You go straight to the four-figure mower, Kerry, glossing right over the botched restaurant meal that's closer in expense. And to state the model's purpose as static display is to vastly oversimplify its reason for existence. Any paperweight or plaque or trophy or flower vase can just sit there in static display. What separates the model is that it's meant as a scale reproduction of something, meant to resemble that prototype as closely as possible. And what's constantly implied but never satisfactorily proven is how it makes you somehow less of a modeler to expect the base kit to do its job as well as possible. There are plenty of modelers, fully capable of correcting kits, who'd sooner dedicate their considerable skills to enhancement rather than those corrections; but from the look of your rules, apparently they're not "real modelers". How does that make any sense? And then there's another element that I've been playing with for a day or two, the notion of kit criticism as "trolling". And make no mistake, I'm flat-out grateful to have this pointed out to me, because it looks like the first tiny window into a mode of thought that's left me utterly bewildered for the better part of a decade. If I understand the concept correctly, to troll a forum is to post content with no other purpose in mind than to agitate other forum members and create a ruckus. To call kit criticism "trolling" is to preclude the possibility that a member may be posting out of actual disappointment with the kit. Fact is, you can't read minds, and who knows - maybe there really are people who trash kits purely to get a rise out of other forum members. But I think that kind of post will have a pretty distinct attitude about it, and to treat any harsh review as if it's trolling has little basis in reality. Post #293, page 15, for instance. Closest thing to an out-and-out diatribe in this thread, and I'll go so far as to say his post was rather more strident than I would've done, some of it maybe even premature. But I'll not presume to judge Roger's content as "trolling", and I'm certainly not to going to reference a totally unrelated thread about another kit to address anything I find questionable about his post. Said it before, and I'll say it again: you look at it objectively, it's not really the criticism getting these threads closed. It's the people who from all appearances just can't get over the fact that KITS WILL BE CRITICIZED. Note that I do NOT claim any of you who object to criticism are doing it for kicks. The outrage I see from some of you is palpable and genuine - I just fail to understand the first rational basis for it. And again, I ask: if you yourself didn't develop the kit, what is it to you? Edited July 26, 2013 by Chuck Kourouklis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Kourouklis Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 I agree that the kit will no doubt be great, I have a fund set aside to purchase multiple copies. It's the rivet counter thing that bothers me. EVERYONE is a rivet counter, it's just where you draw the line on what to accept and what not to accept. Unless there ARE people who are perfectly content with Palmer kits. If a person had a Palmer kit, and wasn't driven to complain (assuming Palmer was still around), I don't know how much I could respect them as a modeler. The disagreement it seems is where to draw the line. On that we will all NEVER agree. What bothers me may not bother you, etc. I don't know why this rivet counter thing keeps coming up. There's no way to prove an opinion, no way to resolve it. Perhaps it's just venting. THAT I can understand. In my mind we're ALL real modelers. For me this is a very solitary hobby. Without you guys I'd have no friends! You know, the global, sorta meta joke about that sprawling repository blog I keep pimping is that the objections to kit criticism are all so incessantly repeated for the utter nonsense they express, that I might as well just gather all the obvious rebuttals and stockpile them to the side. There's a certain desperately unimaginative sameness to the objections and responses, so ya might as well just catalogue them instead of repeating them from thread to thread. YOU, Sir, have come up with something profound and not seen 50,000 times before, and for that, I salute and applaud you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Supercilious bloviating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Kourouklis Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) Not denying it - but I would like to know how it's A N Y more supercilious than looking down your nose and essentially declaring that anyone who criticizes a kit is a lesser modeler because of it. And the bloviating does pose a point or two. Wake me up when any of you has an actual rejoiinder. Edited July 26, 2013 by Chuck Kourouklis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatz4u Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Just wake ME when the kit hits the shelves!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Wake me up before you go go...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wku88 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Supercilious bloviating. Thank you, Brock Yates.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatz4u Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 the 71 pick up is the FIRST in a series of Ford pick ups by Moebius... Now that IS good news!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platerpants Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 the 71 pick up is the FIRST in a series of Ford pick ups by Moebius... Now that IS good news!!!!! wonder what else is coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Kourouklis Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Prob'ly more bumpside variations (maybe a commercial or service version?) but tellya what - I could imagine a lot worse than an early-mid '60s Styleside done up to these standards. Just to, y'know, say it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin T Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 wonder what else is coming I'm still wishing for an Early Bronco. But I would also like to see a 65' Ford F-100. I think AMT did a kit of those but they are pretty rare I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt T. Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 AMT did '60 - '63 F100 kits. I'm hoping Moebius goes back from here and gives us a '65-'66 tool with IFS and a '64 with I-beam front axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinfan5 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Something from the last 25 years would be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin T Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Something from the last 25 years would be better AMT did a pretty good job with some trucks in that area. I'd kill for a new Ford Raptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Geiger Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'm hoping Moebius goes back from here and gives us a '65-'66 tool with IFS and a '64 with I-beam front axle. It all depends on how we vote with our wallets! Note that Moebius seems to listen to our demographic better than any other company ever has! I believe if we respond by buying the things we tell them we want, they will keep cranking them out! As for the Ford pickups, I believe we will get a short wheelbase, a long wheelbase and a 4 wheel drive chassis. I know there's a V8 and a 6 coming as well. They will be doing the flat side pickups since the step side bed for this era is the same we have on the old AMT '53 Ford pickup. And they know we're smart enough to kit bash that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemodeler Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Tom, You are correct about voting with the wallets and I sure hope you are on to something with the 4wd chassis! I, too, would love some more Ford Pickups, either mid 60s or mid 70s and would absolutely LOVE some GM pickups from 67-75! The Bronco from 66-77 would be nice too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelbuilder Mark Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 if they do something newer, I would like to see a Tundra, the new Ram etc., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinfan5 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 if they do something newer, I would like to see a Tundra, the new Ram etc., I would buy those if they were kitted, not a big fan of the Tundra, but still wouldnt mind , but if it was kitted as a NASCAR version, that would be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danno Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Not denying it - but I would like to know how it's A N Y more supercilious than looking down your nose and essentially declaring that anyone who criticizes a kit is a lesser modeler because of it. And the bloviating does pose a point or two. Wake me up when any of you has an actual rejoiinder. That's our cue, guys. Don't anyone wake him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Kourouklis Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Not to worry. I sleep fine through cricket-chirping "fires" like this one. Early Bronc, though, man - yeah, somebody NEEDS to do that one. Good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gluhead Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 (edited) Our last full-on dose of new pickup kits was when? 1999? 2001? I can't remember right now. While I agree that we're due again, new pickups are really not that interesting. Yes...yes...they're kinda interesting, but they're not "spend a million in new tooling to cover the main ones" interesting. So I don't see that rash coming on for a while. I think most would settle for a diecast that doesn't totally suck, that we could at least steal a cab/box from...but I wouldn't even hold my breath for that. I'd slay things in a highly over-dramatic manner for an early Bronco. I keep just missing the far-too-infrequent listing of the Cheez Cast resin version on the bay. Some other guy built a master a couple years ago and posted the build over on Jeffs off-road forum, but he turned out to be a major tease...got it about ready to cast, then up n' awol'd. It looked pretty dang good, too. Really, really really want. The drag version doesn't cut it. Anyway, since the thread has kinda come back down to earth for the most part, can we expect any new teasers soon, Dave? We're ready for a peek at...anything! lol. Edited August 2, 2013 by Gluhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972coronet Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Maybe the intro of these quite welcome F-100 kits will be the impetus for Round2 to backdate the 1979 F-350 4-wheel-drive (Model King's last release) to the Star Truk-era of 'Camper Special' annuals ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin T Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It' be really nice if someone made a kit where it was various options for the truck. Like say a camper topper and tow package kit and then also have a like a Flatbed and multiple loads kit. Maybe not specifically for the Moebius kit, but have parts that can adapt to various kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatz4u Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 I hope that Moebius makes a nicely detailed 1956 F-100, the Revell kit is a little long in the tooth.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooltas Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 amts 53 f100 is way better, dang the 53f100 flipnose is better then the revell's 56'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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