AMT & Revell Parts Packs Engines

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Hey guys,

Curious about the part packs by Revell and AMT... I ran across one of each on ebay and snagged them. The Revell is the Chevy 283ci - and it's all chrome! The AMT is unplated and contains 4 full engines - Chrysler 392 Hemi, Pontiac 421, Corvair 145, Chevy 283, and some chrome grilles and stuff. These are so cool!

So what is the history here? When were these offered? 70s, 80s, 90s, current? Was/is it to encourage or help with kit bashing? Both packs appear to be much more detailed than a kit engine. It's weird that the Revell mill is chromed - was it intended to be displayed alone? Fill me in on these cool parts packs if you can - I couldn't really find much on google or a search here.

Thanks!
Daf

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These Parts Packs originated in the early 60's , as means for engine swaps and-or scratch-built dragsters . In the 70's , during the truck and van craze , parts for those vehicles were released , primarily by Revell ; AMT was going through changes at the time .

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The Revell chrome engine parts packs were reissued sometime in the last 15 years or so and were quite a dud on the market, IIRC.

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The Revell chrome engine parts packs were reissued sometime in the last 15 years or so and were quite a dud on the market, IIRC.

Yeah they were, you can get the reissued Revell ones for pretty cheap. I got one on ebay for just a few bucks to try it out for my 70 stang project. It didn't fit the existing mounts so i tossed it in the spares box.

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Both the Revell and the AMT parts packs were introduced in the '60s to let people do scale engine swaps, just like the big guys. They've been re-released over the years. Besides the Chevy you found, Revell also re-released Pontiac, Cadillac, and Ford 427 V8s, and they're easy to find. There are Revell original-issue Buick Nailhead, Chrysler Hemi, turbine engine, and a different small-block Chevy parts-packs as well, and they are very hard to come by.

Some of the parts-pack engines were also to be found in kits. Notably, the same Buick as in the parts pack (almost...the oil pans and bellhousings differ) appeared in the Revell Tommy Ivo Showboat kit, and the Tony Nancy double dragster kit. The parts-pack Pontiac was almost identical (minus the Cragar blower drive) to the engines in the Mickey Thompson Challenger kit, and the Ford 427 parts-pack engine (slightly modified) appeared as a 406 in the Ed Roth Mysterion. The Chrysler Hemi parts-pack engine is in the Revell Miss Deal Studebaker drag car kit. Revell also made an excellent Olds V8 that was never released as a parts-pack.....at least I've never seen one.

The AMT engines are a little better in some ways than the Revell ones, in my opinion, but they will all make very fine models.

Revell and AMT also made custom hot-rod chassis as parts-packs (AMT did a tubular chassis with torsion-bar front suspension, and Revell did both tubular and rectangular tube roadster chassis and a couple of different dragster chassis, among others), several bodies, bubble-top glass, trim and light packages, various wheel and tire sets, and chassis accessories (quick-change rear ends, springs, radius rods). AMT also did an Allison 1710ci V12 aircraft engine, all chrome, and a set of dragstrip accessories for dioramas.

Aurora did a few too. I have some of their wheel sets and a 427 Ford. As John Shoe mentioned, there were some truck and van upgrade packs as well.

Edited by Ace-Garageguy

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During the initial "Golden Age" of car modeling in the early 60's the Parts Pack phenomenon was shared by most of the major model brands (Revell, AMT, Aurora and Ulrich). It was a reflection of the fact that modelers had rapidly discovered that they could build cars that differed radically from the basic models contained in a kit box by kit bashing. AMT had most likely triggerd the whole thing with all the parts leftover from its 3-in-1 kits. At that time this was what distinguished car modeling from most other forms of plastic kit modeling. Various attempts to revive the Parts Packs in subsequent years have largely been met with poor commercial success but great enthusiasm among modelers. Personally, I rely heavily on Revell engine Parts Packs because I do so much scratchg building and build primalrily in the era when these Parts packs were originally produced. Today the Parts Packs have been supplemented and augmented by the aftermarket resin suppliers.

If you're interested in just how many of these Parts Packs have been produced you'll enjoy this web page which is a remarkable illustrated list of these things: http://robdebie.home.../partspacks.htm. You will notice that there a far many more engines and other parts selections than those that have been more recently reissued. The Parts Packs that were never reproduced have become incredibly rare and command ridiculous sums on e-bay.

Edited by Bernard Kron

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Great link Bernard. i'm only missing a couple.

WARNING DANGER DANGER: though constantly advertised and mindlessly repeated as containing 2 Pontiac and 2 Chevy engines, the AMT pack #38677

partspack-01.jpg ONLY CONTAINS ONE OF EACH, with optional equipment to build either-or. I have several of these and have been through it a bunch of times with sellers, etc.

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wow didn't know they made that many parts packs. would be real cook if they would reissuie the grease bikes.

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WOW! I need to find some of these!! Really like the drag frames and some of the motor packs!

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Thanks for the info Bill.

The turtle decked body is in there too right ?

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,... It's weird that the Revell mill is chromed - was it intended to be displayed alone? ...

I've never seen any explicit discussion on this, but my theory is that since so many parts on these engines needed to be chromed, in the interest of keeping all the parts on a single tree they just chromed the whole thing. It's such a simple explanation it must be true... :D

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Nope, just motors. 283, 392,421,Corvair pancake, Allison

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Yes, actually the T bucket body IS in it. I just double checked two on the shelf, and it's there in both.

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Oh boy, here go the prices.

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I've never seen any explicit discussion on this, but my theory is that since so many parts on these engines needed to be chromed, in the interest of keeping all the parts on a single tree they just chromed the whole thing. It's such a simple explanation it must be true... :D

Lol when i got mine i took the tree out the box n put the whole thing in soup..

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The one I have has it too

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Revell also had 4 motorcycle kits in the parts pack series. A BSA, a Triumph, a Harley and a Honda. All neat little kits. I still have 2 of the Triumphs.

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Revell also had 4 motorcycle kits in the parts pack series. A BSA, a Triumph, a Harley and a Honda. All neat little kits. I still have 2 of the Triumphs.

Yup, they're on the link Bernard posted.

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I think this set is definitely worth getting at least one of. There are some very nice competition engine parts, much nicer than Revell's parts pack Chevy and Pontiac engines.

Here's an example of the supercharged Pontiac engine I put together earlier this year:

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And, the altered roadster body is definitely in this set because I used it, also earlier this year, to make this:

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The roadster body includes a parts tree with a radiator shell, roll bar parts, seat, steering wheel, dashboard, parachute and a helmet. These parts drop onto the Fiat chassis from the Double Dragster kit.

Edited by Dennis Lacy

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Thanks so much for all the replies and info! What an interesting subject.

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I've never seen any explicit discussion on this, but my theory is that since so many parts on these engines needed to be chromed, in the interest of keeping all the parts on a single tree they just chromed the whole thing. It's such a simple explanation it must be true... :D

Actually, given the era in which those parts packs were first released--the kids who were expected to buy them were clamoring for completely chrome-plated engines.

Art

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Two very nice renditions Dennis. Getting rid of all that chrome really helps. :) :) :) :)

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When this first came out in 2008 I wrote up a review of it. Unfortunately I can't locate it now so here it is again. My apologies to Bill for stepping all over his thread - and a big thanx to Bill for reminding us all of this terrific offering so worth adding to one's stash.

Stevens International’s “New” AMT Competition Parts Pack – Old Skool Heaven

Stevens International has brought us a wonderful recreation of an AMT Competition Parts Pack. To say it’s a re-issue is not wholly accurate because this particular combination has never existed before. It also features all new cover art with a very cool diorama.

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This limited issue release consists of 5 engines and the basic body and interior parts to start an Altered Competition T roadster. Here’s the breakdown:

  • 283 cu. In. Small Block Chevy V8 – Can be built either w/ Potvin Front Mount GMC Blower or 4 bbl. Carburetor.
  • 392 cu. In Chrysler Firepower Hemi – Top Mount GMC Blower with either Fuel Injection or carburetor.
  • 421 cu. In. Pontiac V8 - Can be built either w/ Top Mount GMC Blower with either Fuel Injection or carburetor or with dual 4 bbl. Carburetors.
  • 145 cu. In. Corvair Air cooled flat-6 – Can be built with either stock dual single throat carburetors or “Spyder” turbocharger option.
  • 1,710 Cu. In. (!) Allison V-1710 V-12 – Turbocharged aircraft engine with 3 carburetors.

    • Competition “T” Body Kit – Does not include rolling chassis, wheels and tires, etc.

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    This offering is an incredible time capsule. All the tooling was created in 1963 and 1964 and is a highly accurate snapshot of the state of the art in drag racing circa 1960-62. If you use these parts in your builds it virtually guarantees authenticity of the first order. As someone who is recently returned to car modeling, having left the hobby about the time these parts were first released (!), I don’t know a lot about the history of reissue of these parts and will leave it to you car modeling historians out there to fill in the details. What I have been able to determine is that most of this Parts Pack has been only very rarely available, if at all. The T-Body Parts Pack was last seen in the mid 60’s and has never been offered in the modern era. The Allison was last offered in a parts pack in the middle 90’s as a rather odd assortment of “Drag Strip Accessories” with a TV camera, tripod mounted speakers, Christmas tree starting lights, etc. That giant V-12 would certainly make an impressive “accessory” at any drag strip! The V-12 has most recently shown up in the Model King re-issue of the Allison Thunderland ’69 T-Bird flopper funny car. The other four motors last appeared together in a mail order only Blueprinter parts box from AMT in the mid 90’s in black plastic with no chrome.

    Overview

    The first thing that jumps out at you when you inspect the parts in these kits is how crisp and detailed everything is. Clearly these were all always limited offerings because the tooling is like new. There was no flash on my parts, and almost no low spots and visible ejection pin marks. As a result the detail and depth of engraving on the parts is second to none.

    All five motors are fully chromed. Some may consider this an annoyance but the plating is of high quality on white plastic and, frankly, stripping chrome off of the parts I want to paint totally beats prepping and painting or plating unplated parts that I want to have a chrome finish. The box top builds of the motors show them with most of the parts left chromed to give a suggestion of a “show engine” type of build. In my estimation I consider offering the motors plated is a big plus, not a negative.

    The motors come on 3 trees, the Poncho and SBC on one, the Hemi and Corvair on another, and the V-12 in all its massive glory on its own tree! Interestingly, on the trees which pair the engines, the parts for the engine can be found spread across the tree, not necessarily grouped all together in one area as you might expect. The T-Body parts are all cast in white plastic and come all on one tree. Again, no flash was to be found anywhere and even the thinnest, most detailed parts were crisp and fully realized.

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    All the V-8’s are super detailed and include some parts that will never be seen after assembly, such as separate camshafts, crankshafts and flywheels. This is great for diorama work. The Corvair and Allison,, while having superb exterior detailing don’t include these finely made interior parts.

    With the exception of the Corvair, all the motors come with separate transmissions. The Allison obviously has its own unique transmission which will most likely not be useful anywhere else. The V-8’s come with iconic trannies from the period, the SBC with a CAE in-out box, the Hemi with Corvette 4 spd. (weird juxtaposition, huh?) and the Poncho with a B&M hydro. All are very well made and come with separate linkages for easy paint detailing. Strangely, all 3 are mounted to their respective engines in completely different ways so if you want to swap transmission among them you will have to engage in some minor cutting and fabricating.

    The instruction sheet is a 7 page affair with a single exploded view of each kit on a page. Suggested assembly is in numerical order and the parts numbers are molded into the trees next to the related part. There are no suggested paint colors and the box art builds, as mentioned before, really only provide a rough guide because it’s clear they wanted to leave as many parts plated as possible. If you are a detail builder you will land up stripping most of the plating off. Here’s a sample of a couple of pages:

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    The instructions are clearly reproductions of earlier sheets. They provide a piece of authentic “back-in-the-day” nostalgic fun because the parts list often calls out a part with a hot speed equipment brand from the period. For example the hemi’s clutch is no ordinary clutch but a Schiefer clutch. Young builders of the period I’m sure were very impressed! There is the occasional humorous typo as well, as for example a “Vortex” magneto is indicated on the Chevy instead of a Vertex magneto.

    283 cu. In. Small Block Chevy V8

    On the surface this kit looks very similar to the discontinued Revell Parts Paks 283 which can still be found on e-bay. In actuality it is quite different. To begin with the carburetted version has a single four barrel instead of the dual quads found on the Revell setup. And the name on the box, “Competition Parts Pack”, tells it all. The engine comes with a nice timing cover which serves double duty on both the blown and unblown versions, but there is no water pump and accessory drive and fan to make a street version as offered by Revell. On the other hand the AMT 283 comes with a very pretty finned “Cal Custom Oil Pan” rather than the fairly generic affair on the Revell version. The Potvin setup is completely different between the two, the AMT being a more beefy looking version with the earlier dual injectors instead of the four stack version on the Revell motor. The crisply sharp, finely detailed castings really stand out and capture the stout look of a Potvin front drive exceptionally well, giving this mill a real period uniqueness. The blower setup will look fabulous stripped of its chrome and finished out in accurate shades of aluminum.

    392 cu. In Chrysler Firepower Hemi

    This is a unique AMT parts Pack offering but blown hemis are hardly rare. The special appeal about this hemi is its very early 60’s vintage with dual throat Hilborn injectors, a very nice cast aluminum Hilborn scoop, single fuel pump, early style “weedburner” exhaust manifolds and nicely engraved Chrysler Firepower valve covers. This is strictly a drag racing setup so including a single carburetor option on a blown hemi may seem odd to the modern eye, but looking through period journals will show this to be a common setup for those who couldn’t afford the Hilborn rout.

    421 cu. In. Pontiac V8

    Like the Chevy, the AMT Poncho is a strictly competition offering with no accessory drive, generator, etc. even in its carburetted form. The detailing and casting quality is very good indeed and the dual quad intake manifold, like the Chevy’s single quad equivalent, is especially nice. In addition this engine comes with a couple of hyper-obscure Old Skool variants on the fuel system of the blown version that will make a fabulous addition to any Traditional Rod builder’s parts box. First off, there’s a very cool side mount carburetor intake manifold that mounts on top of the blower and locates the carb to the left of the blower. But the most obscure and cool detail is an Algon four port injector with its signature stepped cast scoop (it’s so obscure that even AMT didn’t identify it as an Algon on the original parts list). A quick perusal of the major resin vendors on the web drew a total blank on this piece, so you parts box freaks out their consider this a heads up!

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    145 cu. In. Corvair Air cooled flat-6

    I’m no Corvair expert so I can’t speak to the accuracy and detail of this motor except in the most general way. I will say that it appears slightly more generic than the V-8’s, lacking some of the detailing of the more conventional engines. On the other hand the typical Corvair engine is pretty much buried in shrouding and sheet metal anyway so I may be wrong on this score. What detailing there is, however, is very well done, super crisp and very finely cast. The turbocharging option is especially nice this way. Applications for this mill are by no means as clear as for the competition V-8’s Unlike the V-8’s this is not a competition engine, coming with a full complement of streetable accessories. Uses that come immediately to mind would be rear engined show cars, dune buggies and VW Bug hop ups. As mentioned earlier, be aware that this motor does not come with a transmission.

    1,710 Cu. In. Allison V-1710 V-12

    If I’m no expert on Corvairs then what does that make me regarding Allison V-12’s? So I’m looking at this one strictly from a car modeler’s perspective. Any aircraft experts out there should probably take anything I write with a very large grain of salt!

    When first confronted with the tree for this engine, which, as mentioned earlier, is so massive it gets one all to itself, one is struck with the beautiful texture of detail that will result when this motor is built up. How accurate it is I have no idea but it begs to be made up as a display engine. As far as applications go it will always dominate any build unless its hidden under vast sheets of bodywork (can you say “Fantasy LSR”?). It’s hard to say if it should ever be built with any chrome on it at all, but I suspect there’s a show car version out there that will just sparkle with it.

    This motor may not appear to be “useful” the way the V-8’s so obviously are, but it has such a striking presence that it’s sure to stimulate some spectacular projects. Don’t sell this one short. Here are a couple of examples from this board that shows what can happen when you let this baby have its way with you:

    http://www.modelcars...8190&hl=Allison

    http://www.modelcars...907&hl=Allison#

    Competition “T” Body Kit

    This is the only non-engine part of the Parts Pack and highlights what a Parts Pack is all about, which is to provide key parts for building models that are not available entirely in kit form, acknowledging the kit bashing aspect that’s so crucial in the car modeling world.

    The Competition “T” Body kit consists of 1925 “T” Roadster bucket which has been relieved aft of the doors to accept a pair of big slicks, with a separate cockpit tarp which is shaped and textured to specifically be a cloth tarp and not a hard tonneau as would be common practice just a couple of years later. There is, of course a separate Roadster Turtle Deck so if you have a pickup box you would rather use you can. There is a roll bar and its attendant braces are designed to hold a very nice steering box and pedal assembly that would be useful in a large variety of drag racing and rat rod projects. There is a beautifully made, very finely cast tiny little butterfly steering wheel that is really exceptional. There’s a “deceleration chute” that will float nobody’s boat, the ubiquitous AMT T-bucket instrument panel, a separate tachometer, a nice chopped T radiator shell, a steering column, a racing bucket seat and that’s it. No frame, no suspension, no wheels, no tires. Scratch builders and kit bashers need only apply.

    The Competition “T” Body kit just screams 1960 in all its details. Consider the roll bar. It’s a square piece with low braces that wouldn’t pass tech inspection even 5 years later. The cutaway in the tarp is designed specifically for it. The rollbar itself is located entirely within the T-bucket, so, other than the tire cutaways the bucket is completely intact.

    Everything is cast in thin white styrene, and like everything else in this Parts Pack, the details are clear , crisp and visible.

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    Conclusion

    This Parts Pack is old skool heaven executed to a very high level of quality. There’s enough here that it should be part of everyone’s parts box. It sells for $20.00-$25.00 which will buy a tiny fraction of all this in the aftermarket and everything here requires virtually zero cleanup and detailing. So whether you’re a modeler who enjoys an occasional traditional build now and again or a committed Old Skool enthusiast, I would very seriously consider adding this fabulous Box O’ Parts to your arsenal. Two enthusiastic thumbs up to Stevens International for bringing us this great “kit”!

Edited by Bernard Kron

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Great review Bernard, and I honestly think it's a great kit /pack/set /whatever. Always did, always will. I just started this thread to heads-up anyone bidding on or buying one, what is listed and pictured on the box is mis-leading, so be sure the seller understands the actual number of engines in this before you shell out for it.

The first one of these I bought was the one that brought it to my attention, and I was able to work out a partial refund from the seller, as it was listed as having more stuff in it than it actually does....and he took his list of contents straight from the side of the box.

I had originally intended to post this little problem under the recent thread dealing with mis-leading box art.

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I've scanned the instructions booklet - check out the level of detail in these engines! They even have cranks and cams for Pete's sake! :o

page 1 has the list of chrome grill included - in addition to the 4 complete engines...

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chevy283.jpg

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