johnwitzke Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) The Ferrari 250 GTO is my favorite Ferrari. I have 16 kits of the famous Ferrari. In my opinion, the 1/24 Fujimi 250 GTO is the best kit for the money, hands down. I have three different Fujimi 250 GTO kits under construction along with one 1/24 MFH 250 GTO. There are many photo etch parts and resin parts made just for the Fujimi kit. Elsewhere on this site I am slowly documenting my build of chassis 3505, a right hand drive GTO using the Fujimi kit. I also have 1/24 250 GTO kits from Gunze, Italeri, MFH. The MFH kit is a wonderful kit, but I still prefer the Fujimi kit. Additionally, I have the previous ROG 250 GTO kit. Quite honestly I purchased the ROG kit for the decals. The ROG body dimensions are off, especially the rear. A new re-tooled kit is needed in order to compete with the Fujimi kit. Time will tell if this is a newly engineered kit or just a re-pack of an older kit. Edited January 3, 2013 by johnwitzke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinfan5 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I wholeheartedly support you in rooting for the BMW 2002 as well! Same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Junkman Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Ohhh, a Lusso. Or a reissued 275GTB? Excuse me, I might need a little "alone" time. Since we're dreaming how about a modern mold 260/289 Cobra with FIA optional parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygre Posted January 3, 2013 Author Share Posted January 3, 2013 Ohhh, a Lusso. Or a reissued 275GTB? Excuse me, I might need a little "alone" time. Since we're dreaming how about a modern mold 260/289 Cobra with FIA optional parts? That ALMOST happened. It was to be Accurate Miniatures' third car kit. Unfirtunately, licensing costs and low funds put the kibosh on that one. Ahh, what MIGHT have been! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotics_Builder Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Can always find room to add a Lusso and a few others. Just got the 599 GTO, SA Aperta and F12 Berlinetta. Just a little bit of my Ferrari stash: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjordan2 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Alex Kustov did a beautiful job on a 1/24 Lusso from Scale Kraft and R&M of Maryland. Click on the Review link in his text. http://www.italianhorses.net/Gallery/Resin/SKLusso/lusso.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotics_Builder Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Alex Kustov did a beautiful job on a 1/24 Lusso from Scale Kraft and R&M of Maryland. Click on the Review link in his text. http://www.italianhorses.net/Gallery/Resin/SKLusso/lusso.htm Yes he did! Unfortunately, Scale Kraft went OOB in 2005/6 time frame. Harold Bradford is working on one, but I don't have a date on when it will be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim boyd Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Gerry...I bought what I presume was the Western Models White Metall Lusso from Dave at RnD Unique (IIRC) back around 1987 or so, paying at the time what I think was around $150 for it. It was admidtedly a gamble, and when I got the kit it was exactly what I expected - typical white metal kit that could be build into a beautfiul replica given unlimited amounts of time and talent. I still have it, (the kit, that is, unbuilt) but I long for the lack of assembly complexity and the exquisite detail that a high-quality styrene replica from Revell or RoG could give us (Tamiya, quite frankly is still on my hit list for what they did (or did not) due to their Aston Martin kit re lack of realistic engine execution). I recall seeing an absolutely gorgeous Lusso build from David Morton who used to (and may still) attend the NNL South in Atlanta. Don't recall what basis he used for it but the build quality was spectacular. TIM Edited January 3, 2013 by tim boyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The Ferrari 250 GTO is my favorite Ferrari. I have 16 kits of the famous Ferrari. In my opinion, the 1/24 Fujimi 250 GTO is the best kit for the money, hands down. I have three different Fujimi 250 GTO kits under construction along with one 1/24 MFH 250 GTO. There are many photo etch parts and resin parts made just for the Fujimi kit. Elsewhere on this site I am slowly documenting my build of chassis 3505, a right hand drive GTO using the Fujimi kit. I also have 1/24 250 GTO kits from Gunze, Italeri, MFH. The MFH kit is a wonderful kit, but I still prefer the Fujimi kit. Additionally, I have the previous ROG 250 GTO kit. Quite honestly I purchased the ROG kit for the decals. The ROG body dimensions are off, especially the rear. A new re-tooled kit is needed in order to compete with the Fujimi kit. Time will tell if this is a newly engineered kit or just a re-pack of an older kit. Its not really off. The ROG 250 GTO or Protar 250 is based off a car what was serously wrecked in the rear and the guys the put it back together too some liberties with body to help some known problems with the car so the shape was slightly modified to make better use of aero - something they were just starting to figure out, and so it could use bigger tires in the rear. It is accurate to the car it was modeled after, just not to the way it rolled out of the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteowl7710 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 The IPMS Germany site is listing the kit as a "in cooperation" release, so new tooling it does not appear to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khier Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Now it is my turn to (re-) fuel the fight.... It seems to be a habit of model car makers, Hasegawa, Fujimi, Revell, and now Revell of Germany to re-edit the same subject over and over again while there are tons of interesting subjects crying out to be made and finally fall to the Die Cast world, which whose share grows everyday at the expense of plastic model kits. I can fill pages with examples, but I will mention only few: Revell 1962 Corvette, 1963 Corvette, Haswgawa's Countach and finally ROG Mini and 2CV. Do not tell me they brought improvements with respect to older versions, I know that. But do not forget we lived with these older versions for decades and have been looking for complementing models for decades also..... Can you remember when was the last 1961 Corvette released? or the last 1958 Ford Fairlane? or when was the Renault R4 or Citroen DS ever made? Or, if it had to be a mini, why not a Clubman? While I give those companies, especially both Revell branches the credit for the numerous new and desirable releases, like the 1950 Olds, 57 Ford, 57 Chevys and several modern Ferraris, I still do not understand why do we need another version of an overkill thing like Austin mini? Edited January 4, 2013 by khier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Fully agree about the new tooled Mini. Yes, it is a slightly different version than Tamiya's, but not significantly enough imho. However, perhaps Revell are intending to do more versions later if it is successful enough (as they are now doing with the recently announced panelvan version of their excellent recent VW splitscreen bus) - such as a countryman / traveller, or as you suggest, a Clubman. A 1:24 DS would be fantastic - whilst Heller did do 1:16 versions of the earlier type saloon & decapotable, from all reports, they are not the easiest to build. Whether a new DS kit would sell well outside Europe is another matter though. Edited January 4, 2013 by Paul H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niteowl7710 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Well there-in lies the slippery-slope if "it already exists, we don't need a new one". Sure Beetle, Mini & 2CV kits exist, but whether anyone wants to admit it for fear of feeling old, those kits.are now (or nearly) 30 YEARS old. Beyond the Asian market vs. European market comparisons they'd be a fair amount of popular kits that wouldn't exist... Revell '49 Merc - NO! The AMT kit is fine Revell Tri-Fives -Heck No! They already had kits of those.. No '32 Fords, no '69 Camaros (hey Monogram had a perfectly serviceable - if not cartoonish one already.), no,'57 Ford, and on and on. I mean exactly where does one draw the line at deciding what kit does or doesn't deserve new tooling? Revell is on try THREE on the '70 Cuda after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMSANUT Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Tim, good to see you here again. Happy New Year to you and yours. See my response to Gerry re: having Ed Sexton put a bug in Volker's ear re the Lusso. Wanna lend a hand in that? The Lusso (and a BMW 2002tii) are ideal subjects for RoG, in this writer's not-so-humble opinion! Amen on the BMW 2002 tii. I have never understood how this important car has never been done in 1/24th or 1/25th. Sometimes I just shake my head in confusion................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMSANUT Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Its not really off. The ROG 250 GTO or Protar 250 is based off a car what was serously wrecked in the rear and the guys the put it back together too some liberties with body to help some known problems with the car so the shape was slightly modified to make better use of aero - something they were just starting to figure out, and so it could use bigger tires in the rear. It is accurate to the car it was modeled after, just not to the way it rolled out of the factory. Any help as to which car and it's racing history?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotics_Builder Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Gerry...I bought what I presume was the Western Models White Metall Lusso from Dave at RnD Unique (IIRC) back around 1987 or so, paying at the time what I think was around $150 for it. It was admidtedly a gamble, and when I got the kit it was exactly what I expected - typical white metal kit that could be build into a beautfiul replica given unlimited amounts of time and talent. I still have it, (the kit, that is, unbuilt) but I long for the lack of assembly complexity and the exquisite detail that a high-quality styrene replica from Revell or RoG could give us (Tamiya, quite frankly is still on my hit list for what they did (or did not) due to their Aston Martin kit re lack of realistic engine execution). I recall seeing an absolutely gorgeous Lusso build from David Morton who used to (and may still) attend the NNL South in Atlanta. Don't recall what basis he used for it but the build quality was spectacular. TIM Amen to that Tim. For example, I have the MFH 250 GTO, but the Fujimi or previous Italeri with Aftermarket (including Norm's or Harold's Ferrari engines) make for a much more fun build experience. Any help as to which car and it's racing history?? I don't have the refernce anymore as I looked it up when I bought the orignal Protar version of that. The photos of the repaired car show the squared off rear end, which is the most glaring difference than what you see on many GTO's. As you know, all GTO's were hand built and there are differences in each body. I will see if there is anything in my Ferrari GTO book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotics_Builder Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Any help as to which car and it's racing history?? I found the reference, it is actually on the Protar kit instructions. It is chassis number 3851 and has some history. barchetta.com is a good place to look it up. 3851GT was delivered to Jo Schlesser on September 11th, he finished the Tour de France 2nd OA, the GTO was involved in a very bad crash and was t-boned, it was send back to the factoyr for rebuilt and was sold to Paolo Colombo, he raced it in 1963 with great success, like Ernesto Prinoth in 1964 and 1965. In 1965 the GTO was sold to Fabrizio Violati. Here is a link to more info: http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.ferraris/detail/3851gt.250gto.htm Supposedly the car has had multiple "facelifts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khier Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Well there-in lies the slippery-slope if "it already exists, we don't need a new one". Sure Beetle, Mini & 2CV kits exist, but whether anyone wants to admit it for fear of feeling old, those kits.are now (or nearly) 30 YEARS old. Beyond the Asian market vs. European market comparisons they'd be a fair amount of popular kits that wouldn't exist... Revell '49 Merc - NO! The AMT kit is fine Revell Tri-Fives -Heck No! They already had kits of those.. No '32 Fords, no '69 Camaros (hey Monogram had a perfectly serviceable - if not cartoonish one already.), no,'57 Ford, and on and on. I mean exactly where does one draw the line at deciding what kit does or doesn't deserve new tooling? Revell is on try THREE on the '70 Cuda after all. Let me be put it this way, what should have the priority? A new version of an existing 'bad' kit or a totally new long waited for one? Revell did it right with the Tri five bringing missing versions of the Chevy model array, like the 56 Del Ray and Nomad, but in my opinion another 57 Bel Air sport Cope was unnecessary. A new 1959, 1963 and 1962 Corvettes are not as interesting as the missing 1961, 1965 and 1966 (in 1/25). The 1957 Ford Custom was a brilliant decision, but it would have been silly to ignore the lack of a 58 ford and to make another fairlane 500 club victoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Any help as to which car and it's racing history?? at one time i did... i will have to go digging as I recall it was a privateer running the car a few years after Ferrari won at LeMans with the 250 TR Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines Enzo Ferrari Edited January 4, 2013 by CAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959scudetto Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 I would think that Revell is going to reissue their 250 GTO from the 90's this time (which was a repacked Italeri GTO) because the remark "neue Form " (= new mold) is missing here. I'm asking myself why they won't release a 250 GT Lusso (my favorite Ferrari since I have owned the Matchbox # 75 car as a kid in the mid '60s); a 1966 330 GTC or a 1958 250 TdF would also be great! I don't think we need another 250 GTO after Fujimi's very good kit (only the Avon tires are a big fault!) Though I have bought Revell's Mini and 2 CV, I also have acquired about 95 1/24 die-casts in the last 3 years - mainly of cars that we will hardly ever see as plastic kits (will be disassembled, repainted, detailed and or converted) - most of them came out in Italy, promoted from Quattroruote car magazine. Some of the models I have: Citroen DS, Citroen Dyane, Lancia B24 Spider, Lancia Fulvia Coupé, Fiat 124 Spider, Fiat X1/9, Mercedes Benz 230 SL, BMW 1600-2 (Same body as 2002), Ford Capri and Escort Mk 1 and a lot of different Alfa Romeos: Giulia Super, Giulietta Sprint coupé, Giulietta Sprint Speciale coupé, GT1300 junior, 1600 Spider Duetto (The Graduate!), 1750 Berlina, 1800 Alfetta, Alfasud, 1900 Berlina, 1900 Sprint, tipo 33 stradale (1967), Montreal etc.etc... Several among them would make great kits but I don't think this will happen during the rest of my life. Helmut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwitzke Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 The information that I have (Ferrari 250 GTO by Anthony Pritchard) about the 250 GTO 3851 was that Henri Oreiller (co-owner with Jo Schlesser) was involved in a fatal crash Oct 7 1962 during the Coupes du Salon, Montlhery. Oreiller was the only driver to be killed driving a 250 GTO. This book says that Oreiller was not wearing his seat belt when he crash into a building. The wrecked GTO was brought back to the factory and was re-bodied as a series 1 250 GTO. Chassis 3851 was originally Grigio Metallic from the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotics_Builder Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) So, at this point we really don't know what Revell of Germany is planning. Larry has brought it to our attention early. And I thank him for that. Even RoG's recent newsletter is sketchy on the Ferrari. As LArry has not yet posted a link to it, may I do so: http://www.revell-news.de/display.php?M=55486&C=114eb32970db945cfd3c0db492318f9f&S=163&L=21&N=59 Edited January 5, 2013 by Exotics_Builder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 In this link, it's listed as being a co-operation, so if that is indeed correct, then presumably it is the Protar (as reboxed by Revell a couple of years ago) or possibly the Italeri kit (that others mention has been reboxed by Revell on a previous occasion): http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Hersteller_News/Revell_News_2013.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hall Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I have the Fujimi one (molded in blue), thought I'd check out the RoG one...I picked up one off eBay..got it today, the instructions say copyright 2007. Opening doors and decklid, very thin A-pillars. Is this the ex-Protar tooling (no mention on the instructions or box that I can see). Wasn't there a Monogram issue 250 GTO back in the 70s? Was it the Protar one also? And I assume the Testors one from the '80s was the Italeri tool (I have other Testors Italeri Ferrari reboxes, so I assume this one was also). Never had the Italeri 250 GTO. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymcminn Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 I have the Fujimi one (molded in blue), thought I'd check out the RoG one...I picked up one off eBay..got it today, the instructions say copyright 2007. Opening doors and decklid, very thin A-pillars. Is this the ex-Protar tooling (no mention on the instructions or box that I can see). Wasn't there a Monogram issue 250 GTO back in the 70s? Was it the Protar one also? And I assume the Testors one from the '80s was the Italeri tool (I have other Testors Italeri Ferrari reboxes, so I assume this one was also). Never had the Italeri 250 GTO. R Rob, the RoG issue you have is the ex- Protar tool. The opening doors and boot lid are the giveaway here. The old Monogram tool is an Aurora hand- me- down, from the same series of kits as the Maserati 3500 and Aston DB4. It's not a very good representation of a GTO... the body proportions are completely wrong. The Italeri GTO is an excellent kit, and was indeed reboxed by Testors in the 80s. How do you like the Fujimi kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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