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I understand to sand prime then sand and prime , sand then lay down a few coats of paint , And let dry , then buff, and polish then lay down clear. but my question is what is this method I hear about wet sanding while the paint has been layer down and completed ? Following a polish ?

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bill collector

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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: Bill Elliott's Craftsman truck team

in the late 90's Bill ran a truck team,not sure what year,or how many races. Ido know it was sponsored by McDonalds with Ron Barfield as the driver,although Bill himself ran some races.Does anybody have pics of his truck or know where to find some?

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:12 am Post subject:

ok,did some research the team ran in 96 and97 sponsored by super 8 motels with Bill having one start in 97 with ASE on the truck.still would like to find pics though.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:22 am Post subject:

If I dug deep enough, I have a picture somewhere of the #94 Super 8 truck up on stands with no wheels on it in Elliott's shop when my dad took me down for a fan club event and I have a racing champions diecast of the #4 ASE truck that has Bills name above the window

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:49 am Post subject:

I have a black and white handout of the truck. It is sponsored by Super 8 and although it's hard to tell but it looks like the truck was simply all black. I am running out of time on the computer tonight but tomorrow when I get home from work I will scan the image and post it here.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:22 am Post subject:

1320wayne wrote:

I have a black and white handout of the truck. It is sponsored by Super 8 and although it's hard to tell but it looks like the truck was simply all black. I am running out of time on the computer tonight but tomorrow when I get home from work I will scan the image and post it here.

I had forgotten about the black one! I think I might have the 1/64 of that truck too

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:48 am Post subject:

Did a google search and this is about all I could come up with. I did find a shot of the racing champs black truck but it was so small you could'nt make it out

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Keith Wallace

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2474/94ronbarfieldyt2.jpg

Here's one I found.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject:

Thats her! As I recall, the black one didnt have the "Elliott-Hardy" on the quarters, I'll continue to search the net and see if I can find that one I have with dad beside the truck.........

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject:

Found 'em!! I have no idea when these were taken. I assume 96-97ish by the other photos of the #94 car's that were in the shop. It was a fan club open house and dad drove me all the way down to GA to check everything out. They had a little bit of everything in there. They had Barfield's #94 New Holland Busch car, a #94 ARCA car that looks just like the truck, and of course, the truck. Dont have a scanner so I did the photo of a photo trick. I cant tell if this is a raced truck or not. It does have white marks on the pipes (which means nothing) and red tape on the lower grille and all over the front valance so there is a possibility. This truck could easily be pulled off, only things I can see you would need besides a Elliott sheet would be the large super 8 logo for the hood and Ron's name which is in simple cursive, no fancy signature and I'm sure some of the decal guys on the board could make them. Hope these help

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject:

Keith Wallace wrote:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2474/94ronbarfieldyt2.jpg

Here's one I found.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject:

On another note, I was digging around some more and came upon the '97 Nascar Press and Pass guide. Found out that the #94 truck was ran 7 times in 1996 and Bill drove the #4 ASE truck in the '96 finale

3/17/96 Homestead (Florida Dodge Dealers 400) 4th place

4/21/96 Phoenix (Chevrolet Desert Star Classic 300) 8th

5/4/96 Portland (Craftsman 200) 11th

5/11/96 Evergreen (Jerr-Dan/Nelson Truck Equipment 200) 9th

7/6/96 Milwaukee (Sears Auto Center 200) 28th

10/26/96 Phoenix (GM Goodwrench/Delco Battery 300) 27th

11/3/96 Las Vegas (Carquest 420 K) 19th

and Bill ran the Vegas race in the #4 ASE and brought it home in 2nd

Maybe this will help you locate some photos since you now know the races

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Jose

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject:

omg! thats the season finally 1996 mcdonalds car! this is the first picture i have seen on the side of the car! its the same as the 1997 car but with a white roof # and the 1996 cont! man if i can only get a rear shot of that car i could finally make it.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject:

oh and here you guys go!

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject:

Here is the handout image that I spoke of last night.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject:

Jose wrote:

oh and here you guys go!

Thanks for those images Jose. Now I can take an extra set of numbers from a Mac Tonight decal set and combine with the Slixx ASE decals and come up with another Bill Elliott build.

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject:

well the mac tonight numbers are technically yellow. i built both trucks but i got my numbers from scale designs that unfortunity isnt around anymore i mean i built them in 2002 lol

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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:26 am Post subject:

WOW!! awesome pics guys. the red truck with mcdonalds on the rear quarters is the one from my memory.the ase truck might be esay as would the super8 /McD's truck. Thanks a million for posting these pics

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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:39 am Post subject:

Jose wrote:

omg! thats the season finally 1996 mcdonalds car! this is the first picture i have seen on the side of the car! its the same as the 1997 car but with a white roof # and the 1996 cont! man if i can only get a rear shot of that car i could finally make it.

Wow, I thought I had an eye for detail and you picked out the white roof # from the little bit you can see......Amazing, I had no idea that car was run @ the finale. I checked my '97 model and it has a yellow roof number. So I can say I never knew that. I was a huge Elliott fan and have a PILE of misc items from diecast all the way to his business card when we stopped @ his car dealership. They showed me the conference room with the big mural painted on the wall, I believe it was of one of the red Coors cars. Great childhood memories of great times with my dad. All my collection is packed up and stored in totes, if you are interested in any of it, PM me.......Sorry for hijacking

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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject:

you got any more shop pics? i really would love to see the engines he ran

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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject:

Possibly. I'll hafta look. Me and dad each had a set of pictures. Who knows where mine are, I have dad's set that he had in binders. I'll check in a lil bit

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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject:

These are all the shop pictures I can find from the visit to Elliott's. There could possibly be more, if so, they are not with these in this binder.

This is the rest of the photo with the finale car (probably only shot I have of this car)

Random '96 car

'96 Talladega wreck car, what was left of it after they stripped it all

Barfield's Super 8 ARCA car

Only picture I could find from Ernie's engine shop. I have used this reference for colors and wiring on all my mid to late 90's Elliott builds

I think there is 1 or 2 more from the engine/parts room but I'll really have to dig. This engine photo could also be used in building the truck as I'm sure Ernie supplied engines to this team as well. I have more mid 90's teams shop photos if anyone is interested, I can PM them, I have a few shots of the Kranefus-Hass #37 Lincoln test ride as well in purple /orange trim

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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject:

oh man i owe you huge! i needed those 1996 shots so bad it wasnt funny! i learned alot from these pics already! the engine shots are perfect! Thanks you! i got everything i need now for my 2 1996 cars!

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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:21 pm Post subject:

Not sure what year car this is, or from what race...but here is a picture i took of a wrecked Bill car.

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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:02 am Post subject:

Maybe a movie car? I have never seen that #94 font

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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:14 am Post subject:

i think thats from the made for tv nascar movie. the mcdoanlds car did run once with a grey chassis at the 1995 budshootout but the number font mentioned and the mcdonalds on the quarter dosnt match any real bill elliott cars. cool pic tho

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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:52 am Post subject:

i got a racing champs 1/64th scale car of Ron Barfeild CTS #94 New Holland truck dont have pics ill dig out the car and post it when i can.

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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject:

New Holland truck? Now that one you have to post up. I have NEVER seen that. New Holland was Busch only to my knowledge

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What's all the other garbage besides the question ??

You seem to have a couple of things out of sequence.

Scuff or sand bare plastic and prepare bodywork.

Primer.

Sand.

Re-prime and resand as necessary.

Paint.

Sand and repaint as necessary. Do NOT (usually) sand the last coat of metallics before clearing. Solid colors can be sanded with 3000+ to remove peel and trash, if necessary, before clearing. Solid colors can also be sanded up to 12,000 grit and polished without the need for clear. SOME metallics may be sanded and polished without clearing, but NOT ALL.

Spray clear. (clear 'paint', not Future) I recommend 3 coats minimum.

Sand clear with 3000 up to 12,000 grit, then polish.

Wax (if desired, AFTER paint is THOROUGHLY dry)

Sanding of the last coat of paint or clear BEFORE polishing is called "color sanding". SOP. Same process on 1:1 high-quality paint jobs.

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Oh on very interesting info, I guess I was missing out on color sanding . For example right now I painted a 32 ford gloss black, let dry then wet sand the gloss paint job with 3,000 grit so it cleans up any imperfections, paint over it again. Along with the other steps with the clear and polish. Thanks a lot :). Oh and I hope u don't mind me asking another question, what can happen if I paint when it's really humid out?

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.....................Oh and I hope u don't mind me asking another question, what can happen if I paint when it's really humid out?

Different paints react differently to excessive humidity. Lacquer, some basecoats and some enamels will "blush" if shot under humid conditions, but the only way to be certain of YOUR particular paint on any given day is to shoot a test piece, using the materials and spray pattern you want to use on a model.

The good news is that you can spray more coats of lacquer over blushing with no ill effects, and the blushing WILL polish off of the final surface...really. Try it on a junk body, on a hot day just after a thunderstorm, when everything is steamy.

if you use some paint products (catalyzed two-part urethane clear, for instance) you can get solvent "popping" on a hot and humid day. Excessive moisture in the air will prevent the solvents from evaporating from the paint normally and the surface will skin quickly due to the high temperature. The solvents remaining in the paint will form billions of little gas bubbles in the paint or clear that at first glance look like you sprayed a metallic. They WILL NOT polish or sand out (sanding will expose them as micro pits in the paint) and the only solution is to strip and refinish the whole thing. The 'wetter' you try to shoot the paint to get a good gloss, the worse the problem will get. I once had to strip a 1:1 Cobra twice and respray it 3 times, finally at 3:00 AM in the cool of the night, to eliminate a hot / humid popping problem.

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oh ok, sounds good, oh yea and by far gloss black paint seems to be the most challenging of all ive done so far. (coming back from a 6 yr break when I use to not care as much and build fast lol)

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When doing black, you're prep makes all the difference, if the body work and the base coats are not right black will show every imperfection!! :D

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yea its been a struggle to do gloss black, I have stripped the body for the 2nd time now , hopefully I get it right the 3rd time

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