Aaronw Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I've been looking into a micro lathe for the past year and am at the point I want to get one. I'm looking at Sherline and Taig, which both have a good reputation and are made in the US. The Sherline looks nicer (looks like a miniature mtal shop lathe rather than a cobbled together hobby tool) but is about 50% more expensive and other than cosmetic appeal doesn't seem to offer anything I actually need. The various Chinese built lathes do not offer any significant savings so I have no interest in them, it is Sherline or Taig at this point. I'm 99% sold on the Taig Micro Lathe, they are currently offering a starter package with the following Package #3 - Micro lathe assembled unit - Collet set with 8 collets and closer - 3 jaw self centering chuck - 0 to 1/4 inch Jacobs chuck - 6 piece tool bit set - Drilling tailstock with 3/8-24 thread - 12 x 18 mounting board - motor mount bracket - 1/2 inch pulley set (3M 500 belt) - 1/4 hp Marathon Motor (1725 RPM) wired with switch and cord. which looks like everything I'd need to get started. At the moment I'm primarily looking at making wheels, emergency beacon light bases, siren housings etc. Fairly simply things to start with. They also offer a power feed option for an additional $75 which I'm leaning towards getting, but not positive it is really something I will be needing. I'll probably make my decision this week so any last minute comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. It is a good chunk of money that will cut into the model budget for sometime, so I want to get this right. I'd also like to thank those of you that have chimed in on this subject in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Myers Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 How much ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 The basic lathe costs $310 and with the package listed above it comes in at $491. The power feed adds another $75. Shipping is included in the price. Even with the power feed the Taig costs little more than the Harbor Freight mini lathe (and from what I've read the majority of the other micro lathes are all made in the same factory in China despite different brand names) and it has a much better reputation for quality and after purchase service. The comparable Sherline with a similar starter package runs around $850. Taig Micro Lathe http://www.taigtools.com/mlathe.html Sherline http://www.sherline.com/4000pg.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my80malibu Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't think you could go wrong with the taig. You will find out later that the extra tooling costs,will be more expensive than the initial lathe price. So getting as much tooling as you can right now. Is a smart idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini trucker Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Go for the power feed option too, money well spent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I have a Taig; love it! Wish I had a power feed but that's not in the cards right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 To be up front, I have a Sherline and it is about 5 years old now. This is the first time that I have taken a serious look at a Taig and am a little surprised by a couple of things. The first is the big honkin AC motor that runs it and the second is that you vary the speed on it by changing the belt and pulleys. I would have to give Sherline the advantage there. Sherline uses a quite powerful DC motor that has a variable speed that is easily controlled. This is an advantage for the modeler especially if you are cutting larger pieces. Keep in mind that as you work from the outside in, the actual feed rate of the piece can change dramatically. I have often started at one speed and as I get down to the final cuts, have to increase the rpm to get the right feed rate. Also in looking at the accessories, it looks like Sherline has an advantage also. I like the instructions that come with their accessories. Very detailed on how to use it. They have those instructions on their web site, so give them a look.The other reason I like Sherline is that they are really free with advise on how to do things. They have several retired machinists on staff who are there to answer you questions if you have them. I have never been steered wrong by them. They will give you the straight scoop on accessories. More than once they have helped me not purchase something that was the wrong tool for the job. Good company, great customer service. Worth a little more in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ognib Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I've got my eye on sherline for my shop. Currently digesting Joe Martin's book. I like the fact that they have all the accessory pieces available & the entire system is engineered to work seamlesly. Plus, I'm big on supporting "mom & pop" opperations when ever I can vs giving my money to some soul-less corp entity somewhere on the planet. Edited August 22, 2013 by Ognib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Pete, appreciate the comments. If money wasn't a factor I'd definitely go for the Sherline. Unfortunately it is, so I'm not so much looking at which is better, but more is the Taig good enough for my modest needs. While I think I will find a lot of uses for a lathe, I do have a great fear of having an expensive dust collector. Wish I had a better idea what my needs really were, it would make the decision much easier. Plus, I'm big on supporting "mom & pop" opperations when ever I can vs giving my money to some soul-less corp entity somewhere on the planet. I'm the same way preferring to buy local. Like Sherline, Taig is a small US based company. When you call the number on the website you talk to the guy who builds the lathes. Edited August 22, 2013 by Aaronw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 Would those of you with a Taig mind posting some of the things you've made with it? It might help me see if it is the right tool for me. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Joseph Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Lots of Taig guys start out with a standard motor/pulley setup and then move on to a torquey variable-speed DC motor later on down the road. In fact, the Sherline motor & controller is fairly easy to adapt to a Taig, but another popular option is treadmill motors. Aaron, have you priced out just getting the basic lathe parts and getting a motor locally? That's what I did and I saved quite a bit of dough. You can get a board to mount the lathe & motor locally, too. Sherlines are wonderful "turnkey" machines, but Taigs are every bit as nice for much less. You just have to be a little more handy. You might want to invest in an indexing wheel and a motor-tool holder later on. Also, go to Harbor Freight and get a dial indicator. You won't need it for setups with the 3-jaw chuck so much, but it's nice to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Pete, appreciate the comments. If money wasn't a factor I'd definitely go for the Sherline. Unfortunately it is, so I'm not so much looking at which is better, but more is the Taig good enough for my modest needs. While I think I will find a lot of uses for a lathe, I do have a great fear of having an expensive dust collector. Wish I had a better idea what my needs really were, it would make the decision much easier. I'm the same way preferring to buy local. Like Sherline, Taig is a small US based company. When you call the number on the website you talk to the guy who builds the lathes. I am glad that you took the time to read my ramblings. Having gone from absolutely no clue what I was doing to now fabricating and entire model with a lathe and mill has taught me a lot. I am sure that you will find the same and the use of your lathe will increase with your skill. Frankly, either machine would work but I see some inherent issues with the Taig that may over time be frustrating. You said you want to do wheels, emergency beacon bases and light bases. The major issue I ran into was tool chatter and melting plastic when I turned it. Both of these are easily controlled with the variable speed on the Sherline. Being able to adjust the speed while the lathe is in operation is very handy. Doing what you are doing, if you run into a speed issue, having to stop and change the belt could easily get very frustrating. As to the power feed, I would forgo that and spend the money on other items. I have a friend who is a very skilled craftsman and he made a power feed for his Sherline with a variable speed drill from parts he had in the garage. This could save you some money by dual purposing a tool that you already have. The other thing I found interesting was that the feed on the bed on the Taig was .060 per turn. That seems a little weird to me. The Sherline is .050. To me this suggests less mental gymnastics when running the machine. Also, the Sherline as zero resettable hand wheels, which cuts down the gymnastics even further. The less things you have to consider, the better. I am considering getting a DRO for the lathe and mill just to help with that. As I said, I am sure that you would be happy with either, but I think on a long term basis the Sherline gives you more options. Personal opinion- I have never been unhappy by having too good of a tool. I have been very unhappy with having spent money on an inferior tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Joseph Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Would those of you with a Taig mind posting some of the things you've made with it? It might help me see if it is the right tool for me. Thanks. Most all of this was made on my Taig: Many parts of this, too: This is all made on my Taig (but not the quarter): Here's an action shot of a Dremel machining job on a fiberglass Dalek dome: Turning a piece of wood: Just a sampling. More photos in my archives, just not handy on Photobucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Done on a Sherline- The square parts were milled. The uprights and jigs were done on the lathe 1:12 scale fire bottles Head light and gas tank rims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my80malibu Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I don't have a taig. I could get you a picture of the factory though, they are located about 6 miles away from me in Chandler Az. Down a little dirt road, at a rambling farm house. With two scaled down Cannons at the front entrance. Just sayin. Edited August 23, 2013 by my80malibu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I don't have a taig. I could get you a picture of the factory though, they are located about 6 miles away from me in Chandler Az. Down a little dirt road, at a rambling farm house. With two scaled down Cannons at the front entrance. Just sayin.I do have a Sherline and that is my problem. The Factory is about 10 minutes way in Vista California. It I need inspiration I go the Sherline (AKA Joe Martin Craftsmanship) Museum about 4 block away from the factory. http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com Edited August 23, 2013 by Pete J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothic Kustomz Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 got my micro lath from china, 199.99 out the door, 6 -n -1, works awesome, if I would just stop making left hand cutters, DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Ultimately it comes down to this. It is not the machine, for just like magic, the magic is in the magician, not in the wand. One other thought that I tell my wife when I get a new tool. I could build a house with a Swiss Army knife, but why would I want to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 Pete, thanks for complicating my life. Seriously though thanks for pointing out some of the finer points of difference between the two machines, it does make the Sherline more desirable than it first appeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Pete, thanks for complicating my life. Seriously though thanks for pointing out some of the finer points of difference between the two machines, it does make the Sherline more desirable than it first appeared. Sorry about that! I just hope that you enjoy which ever one you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaronw Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Joseph, it appears I overlooked your comments and posted work. I read them, just noticed I failed to comment, sorry about that and thanks. I'm curious about the Dremel attachment, it looks very useful. Edited August 23, 2013 by Aaronw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBorg Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I've had both. I had one of the first Taigs. I returned it as it just seemed cobbled together. Looking at them now, they do seem better but I don't believe they're near the finished product of the Sherline. You can make good products with a Chinese lathe, Taig or Sherline. With the Chinese lathe (unless its from Micro Mark) the first thing you'll need to do is disassemble it, relube it and then reassemble it paying attention to tolerances. The Taig will need assembly and won't have the range of accessories of the Sherline. The Sherline has many accessories that you'll "need" for that random project. I currently have a Sherline lather and two milling machines. If I were to start from scratch without prior experience, I'd get the Sherline. With my limited experience, if I were to replace my Sherline, I'd go the Chinese lathe. If you question the HFS lathes and milling machines, check out Bill Davis's Keeling and Clayton car at http://www.modelcarsmag.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59550&hl=%2Bkeeling+%2Band+%2Bclayton I know I don't have the skill to do it on my Sherline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Zimmerman Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Where did you get those rear tires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete J. Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Where did you get those rear tires? At the Yellow Submarine Hobby shop in Tokyo in 2003. There were made by Hasegawa as Formula 1 rain tires in 1:20 scale. They were on close out for 200 yen a set. Mark Jones and I bought all they had. Probably a great story, but not much help if you wanted a set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ognib Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 That's some beautiful work, Pete! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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