jjsipes Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) I am looking for some under hood shots of the Altered Wheelbase hardtop that was campaigned by the Sox and Martin team.I am interested in seeing the inner fenders and how they were modified from stock when the "k member" was moved forward. Would anybody have any to share? Edited August 19, 2016 by jjsipes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I have a few pictures of the sedan and a few others . But but basically, just like mentioned. they just moved the whole shock tower plate forward and welded in flat sheetmetal where it used to be ( sometimes ) will post what I have later this evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsipes Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 That's what I figured but then I see some pictures that looking in the wheelwell it looks like a rollbar tube from maybe where the hinge point of the doors down to the base of the shock tower. I have see nsome pictures of the restored cars that show this but not sure if it was like this back in '65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogger44 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Wish I had taken better ones, but here are a few shots I took when I saw it last year. If it's actually how it was back in 65 I'm not sure. Sending you a PM, too. Edited August 4, 2014 by bogger44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicmustang Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Here's a pic from the Super Stock and Drag Illustrated March, 1965 that shows the info you need. Edited May 17, 2015 by magicmustang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Wish I had taken better ones, but here are a few shots I took when I saw it last year. If it's actually how it was back in 65 I'm not sure. Sending you a PM, too. Keep in mind this is the sedan,,, aka Paper Tiger II . Which was a shop built car ,, All the Mopar OEM built cars were hardtops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogger44 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Keep in mind this is the sedan,,, aka Paper Tiger II . Which was a shop built car ,, All the Mopar OEM built cars were hardtops Ahhh...I see, thanks for the heads-up Bill. I was unaware that this one was shop built and might have been prepped differently from the hardtops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The Sedan shown above started life as a regular 1965 RO Super Stock car as shown,,I don't think it was in this conifiguration for very long. As most pictures I have on it are as a AFX car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 The Mopar built car is/was a hardtop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsipes Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 If you look in the front wheel opening, below, behind the front wheel, it looks like some kind of structure in there like it might be simliar to the Sedan. These are from a website I found that has pictures of the Altered Sedan as it was being restored but I am not sure if the Hardtop was the same or not. Website in which I found the restored pics from http://hiteautobodyandrestoration.com/projects/main.php. They also have pictures of the 71 Sox and Martin Cuda and 71 Dick Landy Challenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsipes Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Just some quick pictures of my latest project. Speed City Resin body, Lindberg 64 Plymouth Chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caine440 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Looking really good. I really like the speed city stuff. Have the same project in a box waiting for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thumbs Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) "All the Mopar OEM built cars were hardtops".... I'm not an expert, but I understand there were a couple of sedan types as well from the first originals. Maybe two or so. I'm not sure either if OEM is quite correct, as the factory itself didn't do the cars. I'm probably wrong though. Jason, that's a real nice looking model! Always an interesting topic. Michael Edited September 5, 2014 by 10thumbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w451973 Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 I bet those things were scary as hell to get used to driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320wayne Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 "All the Mopar OEM built cars were hardtops".... I'm not an expert, but I understand there were a couple of sedan types as well from the first originals. Maybe two or so. I'm not sure either if OEM is quite correct, as the factory itself didn't do the cars. I'm probably wrong though. Jason, that's a real nice looking model! Always an interesting topic. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320wayne Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 The factory did not do these cars. They provided A990 cars that were sent to Hurst Performance for the additional work. And, the only factory sedan that my research indicates was Bill Flynn's Yankee Peddler car that he sent back to Chrysler and they then sent it go Hurst for the conversion. Another interesting note is that if any of the owners of factory provided cars wanted to sell them to other drivers Chrysler had to approve the sale. For instance Norm Krause (Mr Norm) his first 65 awb came from Roger Lindamood. Since he was already a prominent Chrysler car dealer the sale was a no brainer. There were a lot of cars that were recycled like that when original drivers upgraded to something else. But most of these awb cars were simply homebuilt with no factory involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtx6970 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I thought Amblewagon did the AFX cars ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsipes Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 After 2 years, let the painting commence. I just finished reading the new Sox & Martin book that has been released and it got me to thinking about this and others I have to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Kucaba Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I thought Amblewagon did the AFX cars ?Your right ! I have a 4 page article on these cars. I posted pics here a long time ago about just how very incomplete the bare shells were that were sent to that shop. No rear quarter panels and not even a roof panel !Mr. Norms first AWB was a sedan that only had the rear wheels moved forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlowe Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) The factory did not do these cars. They provided A990 cars that were sent to Hurst Performance for the additional work. And, the only factory sedan that my research indicates was Bill Flynn's Yankee Peddler car that he sent back to Chrysler and they then sent it go Hurst for the conversion. Another interesting note is that if any of the owners of factory provided cars wanted to sell them to other drivers Chrysler had to approve the sale. For instance Norm Krause (Mr Norm) his first 65 awb came from Roger Lindamood. Since he was already a prominent Chrysler car dealer the sale was a no brainer. There were a lot of cars that were recycled like that when original drivers upgraded to something else. But most of these awb cars were simply homebuilt with no factory involvement.Your information is close, but not quite correct. All of the factory sponsored AWB cars, except Bill Flynn's Yankee Peddler, Color Me Gone, Ramchargers, and Landy were built by Amblewagon. The Yankee Peddler and Color Me Gone was built by Dick Branstner and Jay Howell. Norm Krauss inherited the Roger Lindamood Color Me Gone car. It was TAKEN from Lindamood by Chrysler because he continued to do wheelstands with the car which Chrysler hated. After repeated warnings, the car was confiscated from Lindamood and gifted to Mr. Norm. He ran the injected car in only one meet, which was the '65 Super Stock Nationals at Cecil County. Then it was taken back to Grand Spaulding and the engines were swapped from his '65 red Sedan to give it the blown configuration. Edited September 3, 2016 by Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Kucaba Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 You're right too! Branster owned Amblewagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlowe Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) You're right too! Branster owned Amblewagon.I'm sorry, but in an effort of clarity and historical accuracy, Dick Branstner did not own Amblewagon. His company was Branstner Enterprises. Amblewagon did conversions of ambulances and hearses. Branstner also built the Little Red Wagon, the Dart Charger, and the Cotton Picker. Edited August 11, 2016 by Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Kucaba Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Not worth the trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10thumbs Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Gotta love the drag racing forum. Drop by, look around and read a little, and often I feel more than happy to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caine440 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Looking good. Thinking I may have to get started on this one too.Thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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