10-4 I'll have to try that then. BTW I have to make sure this is noted incase anybody thinks that's my work, it's definitely not.... That is a image I borrowed from Scale sprints that shows pretty well what I was after. So it's just doctored to illustrate my question alittle better. It's definitely not my frame, but I hope I can make mine look just as good. Here is his post over on scalesprints.
http://www.scalesprints.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1163