mk11 Posted April 22, 2019 Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) Pure gold.... some extra history about one of Mr Scritchfield's contemporaries, Sam Conrad, goes well with the story Bill brought us https://www.hotrod.com/articles/1929-ford-model-a-sam-conrad-roadster/ Edited April 22, 2019 by mk11
Spex84 Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 Very cool, thanks for posting. I really enjoyed the tone and editing of this video. I was thinking "how much history could one red deuce roadster really have?" Turns out, an absolutely ridiculous amount. Wow. They do a great job of setting the car up as a perfect embodiment of the entire hobby and its history.
89AKurt Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 (edited) Can't get more awesome than that! If a car can have a soul, that has one. I might even get a kit now.... The part about WW2, and guys removing everything, made me think of my dad. This isn't a '32 Ford (can anyone tell me what it is?), it's not graceful, but he raced around Prescott. Edited April 24, 2019 by 89AKurt added picture
espo Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 Very interesting vehicle. I could be wrong but it makes me think it has a commercial vehicle back ground, maybe a pickup or delivery van, not many rear leaf springs, It may have been based on a large passenger car though. One of the reasons has to do with the wheels. They look to be a 6 lug design and the solid steel centers. The distributor looks like it could be for a 6 cylinder engine which would move it out of the early Ford idea. A better view of the Radiator Shell might give a clue but with all the other changes to the body who's to say that hasn't been changed also. The bed looks to be a home made affair along with the passenger seat. The seat does look like it would be comfortable though. My thought is that if this was constructed just before the War it may be based on a late '20's or '30's chassis. The reason I say this is you have to remember the state of the American economy between the "roaring '20's" and the start of WW 2. It was not uncommon for someone to purchase a large luxury car for next to nothing, since the owner had lost almost everything they owned, and strip the body off and make a very powerful truck out of it. This often happened to Cadillacs, Hudsons, Chryslers and others. The pest part is you have a real interesting picture of your father and shows him as a young man, and he looks very serious in the picture. You didn't mention the lady in the picture ?
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 24, 2019 Author Posted April 24, 2019 (edited) '28 Nash "Advanced 6" maybe? 6-bolt steel disc split-rim wheels, proportions about right, some details reasonably close, large car with a 6-cylinder engine... Another thing some big Nash cars had was a door hinge dead in the center of the door panel between the upper character line and the door bottom, visible here as a white reflection (below). No other cars of the period I've looked at have a hinge in that exact location (which matches your photo). Though the car above, a '28, appears to have 4 door hinges, ONE of them is in the center location I've noted. The photo below, a '26 car, definitely has a single hinge in that location. The curve of the cowl top/windshield base also seems to be an excellent match for your photo. Edited April 24, 2019 by Ace-Garageguy
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 24, 2019 Author Posted April 24, 2019 7 hours ago, 89AKurt said: This isn't a '32 Ford (can anyone tell me what it is?), it's not graceful, but he raced around Prescott... ^^^ See post immediately above ^^^
89AKurt Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: '28 Nash "Advanced 6" maybe? 6-bolt steel disc split-rim wheels, proportions about right, some details reasonably close, large car with a 6-cylinder engine... Another thing some big Nash cars had was a door hinge dead in the center of the door panel between the upper character line and the door bottom, visible here as a white reflection (below). No other cars of the period I've looked at have a hinge in that exact location (which matches your photo). Though the car above, a '28, appears to have 4 door hinges, ONE of them is in the center location I've noted. The photo below, a '26 car, definitely has a single hinge in that location. The curve of the cowl top/windshield base also seems to be an excellent match for your photo. Sorry, seems like I hijacked your thread. Wow, I do believe you nailed it! As a designer, I totally agree with your assessment. Thank you very much. 2 hours ago, espo said: Very interesting vehicle. I could be wrong but it makes me think it has a commercial vehicle back ground, maybe a pickup or delivery van, not many rear leaf springs, It may have been based on a large passenger car though. One of the reasons has to do with the wheels. They look to be a 6 lug design and the solid steel centers. The distributor looks like it could be for a 6 cylinder engine which would move it out of the early Ford idea. A better view of the Radiator Shell might give a clue but with all the other changes to the body who's to say that hasn't been changed also. The bed looks to be a home made affair along with the passenger seat. The seat does look like it would be comfortable though. My thought is that if this was constructed just before the War it may be based on a late '20's or '30's chassis. The reason I say this is you have to remember the state of the American economy between the "roaring '20's" and the start of WW 2. It was not uncommon for someone to purchase a large luxury car for next to nothing, since the owner had lost almost everything they owned, and strip the body off and make a very powerful truck out of it. This often happened to Cadillacs, Hudsons, Chryslers and others. The pest part is you have a real interesting picture of your father and shows him as a young man, and he looks very serious in the picture. You didn't mention the lady in the picture ? Yes, this was prior WW2. I believe the woman is my aunt, see the cat in her lap? My dad hated cats. Here is another picture from my family collection. I can see this is a Ford, and it's a pickup. Don't know who that serious woman is. My dad owned several Fords (have really cool pictures of them too). Makes me wonder if this survived as a hot rod.
espo Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 2 hours ago, 89AKurt said: Sorry, seems like I hijacked your thread. Wow, I do believe you nailed it! As a designer, I totally agree with your assessment. Thank you very much. Yes, this was prior WW2. I believe the woman is my aunt, see the cat in her lap? My dad hated cats. Here is another picture from my family collection. I can see this is a Ford, and it's a pickup. Don't know who that serious woman is. My dad owned several Fords (have really cool pictures of them too). Makes me wonder if this survived as a hot rod. The pick-up looks like a '32 thru'34 year model. I had one in the mid '60's with a warmed over Flathead and 15" wheels from a later Ford pick up. They had the 5 on 5 bolt pattern. The wire wheels make me think it maybe a '32 but these things got changed around so much and you just ran what ever you could get your hands on.
Ace-Garageguy Posted April 24, 2019 Author Posted April 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, espo said: The pick-up looks like a '32 thru'34 year model... Close, but believe you'll find it's a '33 or '34. The slightly sloping grille shell is the giveaway. The '32 had the same vertical grille shell as the '32 cars (though the truck shell is a slightly different part from the cars). The cabs of the '32-'34 were dimensionally the same (though there are certain detail differences between '32 and '33-'34 cabs, they will interchange), but the '33-'34 is on a longer wheelbase (6" longer) and the sloping grille shell helps to take up some of the additional length. '32 Ford pickups are on the '32 one-year-only 106" wheelbase frame. '33-'34 pickups are on the 112" wheelbase frame The slope isn't really very noticeable (it's most easily seen in a direct side-view shot) and many photos on the web are incorrectly identified. The rear edge of the grille shell on the '32 is parallel with the hood side louvers, where the rear edge slopes on the '33-'34, with the bottom being farther forward than the top. The lower edge of the '33-'34 hood side panels is longer than the top to accommodate the slope. It's easily seen on the AMT/Lindberg kits, which get it right. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/34-ford-pick-up-questions.281795/ Edited April 24, 2019 by Ace-Garageguy
ChrisBcritter Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 My only problem with the car being a Nash is the position of the hole for the cowl light - every shot of the Nash I find has it centered between the hood and windshield, not close to the hood like this one. I also looked at some Studebakers from this vintage and while they have many of the same features, they also have the cowl lights centered. Kurt, would you mind if I posted this photo on the H.A.M.B.? We'd probably get a definitive answer there.
89AKurt Posted April 24, 2019 Posted April 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ChrisBcritter said: [...] Kurt, would you mind if I posted this photo on the H.A.M.B.? We'd probably get a definitive answer there. Just attribute to me as the source, dad's name was Lester Womack.
ChrisBcritter Posted April 25, 2019 Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, 89AKurt said: Just attribute to me as the source, dad's name was Lester Womack. Duly noted and done: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/can-you-id-this-cut-down-truck.1147838/ You know, the more I look at it, the more I want to build one like it . Edited April 25, 2019 by ChrisBcritter
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