Anglia105E Posted October 18, 2019 Author Posted October 18, 2019 Here are a couple of photos showing the paint test on the spoons, which is the '68 Buick Cameo Cream over both grey primer and also white primer. This pale yellow colour clearly works best over white primer, as you can see. To the naked eye, the paint colour has a distinct pale yellow appearance, which is not as obvious in these photos, where they do appear more cream. David
Anglia105E Posted October 20, 2019 Author Posted October 20, 2019 Having to re-think all my measurements and dimensions, now that I have been told my Bonneville resin kit is 1:25 scale, and not 1:24 scale as I thought previously. The wheel base of this resin chassis is 123 mm, which does not translate into either the Bonneville wheelbase or the Parisienne wheelbase. According to my calculations...... the scale is some weird figure like 1:25.6..... because 123 mm is 4.84 inches, multiplied by 25 comes out at 121 inches..... with the Bonneville wheelbase measuring 124 inches and the Parisienne measuring 119 inches. My wheelbase for this resin kit is in between the two cars, being 3 inches shorter than a Bonneville and 2 inches longer than a Parisienne ( in full size 1:1 ). Once I have gathered a few more parts, and when the parts are done in white primer instead of grey primer the build can get under way properly. I have been looking on the Internet for some scale plan drawings of the '68 Pontiac Bonneville 4-door or even the '68 Parisienne 4-door, but I haven't found any yet. David
Slick Shifter Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 See? You have it all figured out! Keep up the Good Work!
Reuhkapelti2 Posted October 20, 2019 Posted October 20, 2019 (edited) Is this site helpful? https://www.the-blueprints.com/search/pontiac+bonneville/ Don't worry too much of the wheelbsse, it will look good anyway. Edited October 20, 2019 by Reuhkapelti2
Anglia105E Posted October 20, 2019 Author Posted October 20, 2019 50 minutes ago, Reuhkapelti2 said: Is this site helpful? https://www.the-blueprints.com/search/pontiac+bonneville/ Don't worry too much of the wheelbsse, it will look good anyway. Thank you, Ismo..... I did have a look at the blueprints web site, but they show 1966 / 1967 and two-door, and there is nothing for 1968 and four-door. They seem to cover just about every year except '68. The year range is important because the wheelbase and the body length is different, although the difference is very small. Thanks for the link, Ismo anyway. David
Anglia105E Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 Drafted a scale plan drawing of the Parisienne, which is to scale , so it represents the actual size of the model car. The actual wheelbase of the '67 Bonneville is 4.84 inches in 1:25 scale and the wheelbase of the Parisienne needs to be 4.76 inches, so there is only a difference of 0.08 inches...... this is not something that I am going to worry about unduly. Here is the plan drawing so far, and I shall add further dimensions to this drawing as work progresses, and as necessary. David
Anglia105E Posted October 21, 2019 Author Posted October 21, 2019 The plan drawing for this build now has further measurements added.... and I must apologise for the crude rendition of the drawing, although I never claimed to be a trained draughtsman! There is a delivery waiting for me to collect during the next day or two. This one is the MPC '70 Pontiac Bonneville Roadster / Custom Pickup kit in 1:25 scale, which has the wheels I need for the Parisienne. Other parts from this kit may be useful, such as the metal axles for example, and maybe even the windscreen. David
bisc63 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 Looks like you are getting close to having all you need to get this going!
Vietnam Vet67 Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 1968 Pontiac Parisienne brochure:http://oldcarbrochures.com/static/Canada/Pontiac/1968 Pontiac Brochure/index1.html
khier Posted October 22, 2019 Posted October 22, 2019 On 10/14/2019 at 12:39 PM, Anglia105E said: Some photos here..... but no text..... ( tried everything, but get the dreaded ' Page Not Found - 404 Error ' every time ) David I have been dreaming of such a kit for years. Who makes the resin body? Regards walid
Anglia105E Posted October 22, 2019 Author Posted October 22, 2019 Walid..... this 1:25 scale resin kit is available from Page Resin on Facebook..... the guy makes good quality casting and he is Pedro Escanio in Chicago, Illinois, United States. - This kit is a '67 Pontiac Bonneville 4-door, which is the US version of the car..... Myself, I am building the Canada version of the car, which is a '68 Pontiac Parisienne 4-door. David
Anglia105E Posted October 22, 2019 Author Posted October 22, 2019 Picked up the MPC Bonneville kit today, and the wheels in this kit should be just what I need for the Parisienne....... also, the tyres are better than those in the resin kit, with some ' Goodyear ' lettering on the tyre walls and they are wider too. David
Anglia105E Posted October 22, 2019 Author Posted October 22, 2019 20 hours ago, Vietnam Vet67 said: 1968 Pontiac Parisienne brochure:http://oldcarbrochures.com/static/Canada/Pontiac/1968 Pontiac Brochure/index1.html Thanks for the link to the 1968 Pontiac brochures, Ed..... and I had already saved them to my computer previously, but I appreciate your kind thought. David
charlie8575 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Anglia105E said: Walid..... this 1:25 scale resin kit is available from Page Resin on Facebook..... the guy makes good quality casting and he is Pedro Escanio in Chicago, Illinois, United States. - This kit is a '67 Pontiac Bonneville 4-door, which is the US version of the car..... Myself, I am building the Canada version of the car, which is a '68 Pontiac Parisienne 4-door. David Page Resin does do good stuff. Converting this to a Parisienne will be an interesting exercise, as almost nothing interchanges with an American Pontiac. From what I've been told, to accommodate the Chevy chassis, even the quarter panels are different from an American car. With that said, even if you decided to do the Bonneville in the correct colors, it'll still be a nice build. Charlie Larkin
charlie8575 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 8:33 PM, Anglia105E said: Drafted a scale plan drawing of the Parisienne, which is to scale , so it represents the actual size of the model car. The actual wheelbase of the '67 Bonneville is 4.84 inches in 1:25 scale and the wheelbase of the Parisienne needs to be 4.76 inches, so there is only a difference of 0.08 inches...... this is not something that I am going to worry about unduly. Here is the plan drawing so far, and I shall add further dimensions to this drawing as work progresses, and as necessary. David I am curious...what software did you use? And is this from the picture of the car you showed us earlier? Charlie Larkin
mk11 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) On 10/14/2019 at 12:09 PM, Anglia105E said: and I also remember the Observer's Book of Cars.... Like this one? These are very interesting little books, updated yearly. This particular one is from '66. Edited October 23, 2019 by mk11
mk11 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, charlie8575 said: Converting this to a Parisienne will be an interesting exercise, as almost nothing interchanges with an American Pontiac. From what I've been told, to accommodate the Chevy chassis, even the quarter panels are different from an American car. The Bonneville was a special stretched model. The regular catalinas and venturas were the same basic physical size as the parisiennes, laurentians etc with the canadian models basically being reskinned belairs/caprices. Those engineers did a fantastic job with the body work. The front fender wheel opening may be slightly different but I believe the quarters are almost identical to the shorter US pontiacs.
espo Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 I have been enjoying watching this build and learning all of the differences between the Parisienne and Pontiac cars. Something I noticed looking at the brochure that Vietnam Vet67 posted, there is no listing for a Disc Brake option. I know this was an option on the Pontiacs starting in '67.
Anglia105E Posted October 23, 2019 Author Posted October 23, 2019 11 hours ago, charlie8575 said: I am curious...what software did you use? And is this from the picture of the car you showed us earlier? Charlie Larkin Sorry for the delay in replying to your comment, Charlie...... the software that I am using for the plan drawing is very old, and I have to install the software on an old Windows XP laptop, as it will not run on a Windows 10 computer. It is called Photo Studio by a company called ArcSoft...... and there is probably a much newer version available now, that will run on Windows 10 but you have to pay for it ( this old version was free, many moons ago ). The photo from which I created the plan drawing is shown below, and what ArcSoft Photo Studio does is to allow you to choose the ' Fine Art ' option, and then choose the ' Pencil Sketch ' option, which is what this drawing is. I then add measurements and notes using Microsoft Paint software. You are absolutely right about the Canadian Parisienne being totally different to the US Bonneville version in lots of small details. The chassis by Chevrolet is shorter, and the overall body length is longer for the Bonneville. Thing is, Charlie..... when you scale it down to 1:25, many of these differences are miniscule. David
Anglia105E Posted October 23, 2019 Author Posted October 23, 2019 10 hours ago, mk11 said: The Bonneville was a special stretched model. The regular catalinas and venturas were the same basic physical size as the parisiennes, laurentians etc with the canadian models basically being reskinned belairs/caprices. Those engineers did a fantastic job with the body work. The front fender wheel opening may be slightly different but I believe the quarters are almost identical to the shorter US pontiacs. Thanks very much, Mike..... your further information about the shorter US Pontiacs is very useful, and I am beginning to get a clearer picture of all the differences between the two version, Parisienne from Canada and Bonneville from United States. Yes, that is the Observer's Book of Automobiles that I remember from my childhood...... the blue book without the dust cover. David
Anglia105E Posted October 23, 2019 Author Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, espo said: I have been enjoying watching this build and learning all of the differences between the Parisienne and Pontiac cars. Something I noticed looking at the brochure that Vietnam Vet67 posted, there is no listing for a Disc Brake option. I know this was an option on the Pontiacs starting in '67. Pleased to hear that you are enjoying this build, David Espenshade....... which is only just about to start, due to extensive research and detailed preparation, along with the process of accumulating parts, materials and tools. I believe you are correct in saying that the Disc Brake option was available on the Pontiacs from '67, so it is surprising that it isn't mentioned in that brochure posted by Vietnam Vet67. Hope you continue to enjoy watching my '68 Pontiac Parisienne 4-door build. David
mk11 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/19/2019 at 6:51 PM, Anglia105E said: .... with the Bonneville wheelbase measuring 124 inches and the Parisienne measuring 119 inches. My wheelbase for this resin kit is in between the two cars, being 3 inches shorter than a Bonneville and 2 inches longer than a Parisienne ( in full size 1:1 )... If the wheelbase on your kit chassis scales to 121", it's possibly sourced from the amt grand prix rather than the bonneville. It'll probably be easier to use the '70 chassis to keep the wheels centered in the openings. Properly shortening the bonneville body will probably not be worth the effort as in scale you'll find few who will know the difference anyways. The g/p, catalina and ventura had the 121 wheelbase and overall length of these cars is identical to the parisenne/laurentians. To use the 2" shorter chev wheelbase under the pontiac skin was fairly easy for GM as all they had to do was to allow they rear axle to sit one inch forward in the wheel opening. You can kind of see this in your pic. The front wheel center sits 1" back in the wheel opening, possibly necessitating a slightly different front fender than the US cars. Of course, mounting of exterior sheetmetal and bumpers had to be altered because of the chev superstructure/cowl/frame etc. Note also that the canadian pontiacs had parallel wipers rather than the US clapper style through most of the sixties. Learning this info has helped me on one of my own projects, a '65 parisienne 409 custom sport ragtop using the amt grand prix and revell '65 chev chassis. If you don't have the '65/'66 chev dash for your rhd conversion I've got an extra you can have.
Anglia105E Posted October 23, 2019 Author Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, mk11 said: If the wheelbase on your kit chassis scales to 121", it's possibly sourced from the amt grand prix rather than the bonneville. It'll probably be easier to use the '70 chassis to keep the wheels centered in the openings. Properly shortening the bonneville body will probably not be worth the effort as in scale you'll find few who will know the difference anyways. The g/p, catalina and ventura had the 121 wheelbase and overall length of these cars is identical to the parisenne/laurentians. To use the 2" shorter chev wheelbase under the pontiac skin was fairly easy for GM as all they had to do was to allow they rear axle to sit one inch forward in the wheel opening. You can kind of see this in your pic. The front wheel center sits 1" back in the wheel opening, possibly necessitating a slightly different front fender than the US cars. Of course, mounting of exterior sheetmetal and bumpers had to be altered because of the chev superstructure/cowl/frame etc. Note also that the canadian pontiacs had parallel wipers rather than the US clapper style through most of the sixties. Learning this info has helped me on one of my own projects, a '65 parisienne 409 custom sport ragtop using the amt grand prix and revell '65 chev chassis. If you don't have the '65/'66 chev dash for your rhd conversion I've got an extra you can have. Mike...... the photo below shows both the '70 Bonneville chassis which is the MPC kit and also the '67 Bonneville chassis which is the resin kit that I have for my build. As you can see they are both identical, and actually the same length. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the '70 Bonneville chassis had been used as the master for the casting of the resin chassis. So what we have, is a wheelbase of 123 mm for the chassis, which is 3,075 mm when multiplied by 25, and 3.075 mm equals 121 inches. According to all information that I have received so far, the wheelbase of the Canadian Parisienne should be 119 inches, whereas the US Bonneville has a wheelbase of 124 inches....... which is why I am puzzled by the 121 inches wheelbase, or am I missing something? Your detailed data is very much appreciated, and much of it is all new to me...... and I am very interested in your spare '65/'66 Chevy RHD dashboard, which would help me greatly, Mike. David
Anglia105E Posted October 23, 2019 Author Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Anglia105E said: Mike...... the photo below shows both the '70 Bonneville chassis which is the MPC kit and also the '67 Bonneville chassis which is the resin kit that I have for my build. As you can see they are both identical, and actually the same length. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the '70 Bonneville chassis had been used as the master for the casting of the resin chassis. So what we have, is a wheelbase of 123 mm for the chassis, which is 3,075 mm when multiplied by 25, and 3.075 mm equals 121 inches. According to all information that I have received so far, the wheelbase of the Canadian Parisienne should be 119 inches, whereas the US Bonneville has a wheelbase of 124 inches....... which is why I am puzzled by the 121 inches wheelbase, or am I missing something? Your detailed data is very much appreciated, and much of it is all new to me...... and I am very interested in your spare '65/'66 Chevy RHD dashboard, which would help me greatly, Mike. David Forgot to mention, Mike..... the '67 Bonneville resin kit chassis is the one in grey primer, and the MPC '70 Bonneville chassis is the white styrene one. David
mk11 Posted October 24, 2019 Posted October 24, 2019 Interesting. Maybe mpc didn't scale it right. Should be roughly 5" for a bville. Wonder if all the '66-'70 mpc kits had the same chassis. Doesn't really matter anyways, as what's needed is to get the wheels centered in their openings. Looks like you have leeway to adjust the wheelbase as you see fit. My chev dash isn't converted to rhd, I was just offering it in case you didn't have one laying round to convert.
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