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2 hours ago, John1955 said:

I wish Round 2 would label re-issues properly, give credit where credit is due. Put the ERTL name on those, and mold the chassis in black as Ertl did. Round 2 keeps labeling MPC re-issues as "AMT" as well. 

Round2 doesn't own the name Ertl. That trademark (along with all the farm/construction kits) stayed with Tomy who still actively use the Ertl name within their line of dieast items.

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On 4/18/2021 at 9:00 AM, DRIPTROIT 71 said:

Ebay seems to have a lot of people trying to sell there A and B model Transtars before the new one comes out, but I found this one very interesting. I hope that this isn’t going to be the normal for the new kit.


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I can't believe I missed this. I have wanted one of these for so long, but the cost of NOS or used kits were just beyond what I am willing to spend. I like to build my kits and I just have a hard time shelling out $400 for a kit and then cracking the seal to build it. 

I pre-ordered mine and I am beyond excited about this. This has been on my dream list for so long, it almost does not seem real that it is really going to be made. 

THANK YOU ROUND2!!!

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On 5/3/2021 at 10:45 AM, michaelbaskett said:

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Lol!! My thoughts exactly!! 😎👍

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On 5/3/2021 at 8:34 AM, niteowl7710 said:

Round2 doesn't own the name Ertl. That trademark (along with all the farm/construction kits) stayed with Tomy who still actively use the Ertl name within their line of dieast items.

Yes, that's now true. What causes some confusion is that Ertl bought AMT in 1982, and labeled some kits as AMT or AMT/Ertl. Then in 1989, Ertl was purchased by Racing Champions but they were only interested in the diecast market, not plastic kits, so later, Round 2 made AMT branded kits and bought AMT completely in 2012. See what I mean about confusing? 

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8 hours ago, John1955 said:

Yes, that's now true. What causes some confusion is that Ertl bought AMT in 1982, and labeled some kits as AMT or AMT/Ertl. Then in 1989, Ertl was purchased by Racing Champions but they were only interested in the diecast market, not plastic kits, so later, Round 2 made AMT branded kits and bought AMT completely in 2012. See what I mean about confusing? 

Well no, after 6 years of doing a weekly modeling YouTube show I have all of that pretty well memorized, plus I lived through it like everyone else. 

My point was they can't use the Ertl name right now in 2021 as they don't own the trademark to it since Racing Champions/RC2 sold out to Tomy. Tomy still uses the Ertl name for all their diecast farm & construction equipment. So Round2 would have to pay some sort of licensing fee to Tomy to use the name. Also as others have pointed out while this is based on that Ertl 4070A kit, the entire kit from top to bottom, stem to stern is entirely brand new tooling, so technically this one isn't made by Ertl. 

Frankly the use of brand names (which Revell also constantly aloffends with use of Revell vs. Monogram) is less confusing to the average modeler than wrapping EVERYTHING in a vintage box. Stuff like the 1990s Era kits like the Edsel, 67 Mustangs, '67 Impala, '70 Monte Carlo certainly all look great sitting a shelf in a store. But when some kits really are 50+ yrs old and some are were the newest kits AMT/Ertl made before "the end" in 1998, (or like this 4070A and Nova wagon are entirely brand new in 2021) knowing what you're actually getting in any given box without knowing kit history is far more confusing. 

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14 hours ago, niteowl7710 said:

Well no, after 6 years of doing a weekly modeling YouTube show I have all of that pretty well memorized, plus I lived through it like everyone else. 

My point was they can't use the Ertl name right now in 2021 as they don't own the trademark to it since Racing Champions/RC2 sold out to Tomy. Tomy still uses the Ertl name for all their diecast farm & construction equipment. So Round2 would have to pay some sort of licensing fee to Tomy to use the name. Also as others have pointed out while this is based on that Ertl 4070A kit, the entire kit from top to bottom, stem to stern is entirely brand new tooling, so technically this one isn't made by Ertl. 

 

Not everyone has a YouTube show about modeling and it IS confusing to the average modeler and I didn't say it was being made by Ertl.  And although I don't have a YouTube channel, I did actually work in the plastics industry with the actual kits fresh out of the molds. I also already knew what your point was and I wasn't disagreeing with you. A kit based on an Ertl kit not made by Ertl is fine with me. But why bother with new tooling? That original Ertl kit was as near perfect as a kit can get. Who owns the original Ertl tooling since Tomy isn't interested in making plastic products? 

It is very expensive to create new molds for injection molding, and there is no need to do that if the original Ertl molds still exist somewhere. My father was a long haul trucker, so was my uncle and I was a passenger many times in IH big rigs and those original Ertl molds really nailed it. And I also still say that Round 2 should label MPC kits as MPC kits and AMT kits as AMT kits. Sheesh! 
 

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1 hour ago, John1955 said:

Not everyone has a YouTube show about modeling and it IS confusing to the average modeler and I didn't say it was being made by Ertl.  And although I don't have a YouTube channel, I did actually work in the plastics industry with the actual kits fresh out of the molds. I also already knew what your point was and I wasn't disagreeing with you. A kit based on an Ertl kit not made by Ertl is fine with me. But why bother with new tooling? That original Ertl kit was as near perfect as a kit can get. Who owns the original Ertl tooling since Tomy isn't interested in making plastic products? 

It is very expensive to create new molds for injection molding, and there is no need to do that if the original Ertl molds still exist somewhere. My father was a long haul trucker, so was my uncle and I was a passenger many times in IH big rigs and those original Ertl molds really nailed it. And I also still say that Round 2 should label MPC kits as MPC kits and AMT kits as AMT kits. Sheesh! 
 

The ERTL tool no longer exists. AMT had to scan an original if modellers ever wanted to build the CO4070A. Tim Ahlborn has covered the improvements AMT has made as well. I’m just happy it’s coming.

 

Ben

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What Ben said above is correct.   Round2 scanned an original Ertl Transtar CO4070A kit, a new CAD drawing was made and the kit was re-engineered from there.  The tool/mold for the original kit was altered in 1975 and is no longer viable.  While the subject is the same as the original kit and the original kit served as the hopping off point, the kit is all new. New parts layout, some new parts, added detail.    Regarding the brand names - as someone else said, Round2 has no rights or claim to use the trademark name "Ertl".  Round2 bought the AMT kit line that included many Ertl developed kits and it included the MPC developed truck kits.   Ertl bought the MPC truck kits in the 70's and rebranded them as Ertl kits.  Ertl modifed the tool for the DM800/Rex Mixer into the IH Paystar/Rex Mixer.    The DM600, DM800 and Gravel Trailer were originally MPC kits but sold for years branded as Ertl.   When Round2 obtained the MPC brand they applied the MPC brand back on the DM600, DM800 and the Gravel trailer.

Use of the AMT brand on what were once Ertl kits is correct.   

 

Tim

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Cool, thanks for the info. I knew most of that already, but some was new to me, always glad to get new info. Now, if we only get Round2 to stop labeling old MPC kits as AMT kits as I said before. It appears they've taken steps to do that. 

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Well Round 2 owns the AMT, MPC, Polar Lights and Lindberg Hawk brands now so they can use the correct branding if they want to, the only brand they can't use is ERTL without permission from Tomy.

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