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I feel sorry for all NASCAR builders, I have a few kits myself as I like to build all kinds of kits, but to say that lot of the guys are bashing the builders is just way out of left field. All I saw was them bashing NASCAR itself and that since Revell has dropped the kits, because NASCAR is too cheap to keep the price down, that they woud have some new releases coming out. Thats all I got to say about that. I am glad I got the decals to the ones I want to build , however I still need a few more kits to go with them.

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Dave, you're making the same mistake Jamie is making,

A person doesn't have to like NASCAR in order to appreciate a well-done NASCAR model!

A perfect example: me! I couldn't care less about NASCAR. Let's just say I'm not a fan and leave it at that.

But my disinterest in NASCAR the "sport" has nothing to do with my interest in a well-built model of a NASCAR racer. In fact, your "Pirates of the Caribbean" model is a fantastic example of modeling skill and craftsmanship. I don't need to be a NASCAR fan to recognize that. Similarly, I couldn't care less about dirt track racing either, but again, that doesn't have anything to do with my appreciation for a well-done dirt track model!

Don't equate a person"s dislike of NASCAR with a dislike of NASCAR models... it's NOT one and the same.You NASCAR builders need to keep on posting. Well-built models of ANY type are always welcome here... B)

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Dave, you're making the same mistake Jamie is making,

A person doesn't have to like NASCAR in order to appreciate a well-done NASCAR model!

A perfect example: me! I couldn't care less about NASCAR. Let's just say I'm not a fan and leave it at that.

But my disinterest in NASCAR the "sport" has nothing to do with my interest in a well-built model of a NASCAR racer. In fact, your "Pirates of the Caribbean" model is a fantastic example of modeling skill and craftsmanship. I don't need to be a NASCAR fan to recognize that. Similarly, I couldn't care less about dirt track racing either, but again, that doesn't have anything to do with my appreciation for a well-done dirt track model!

Don't equate a person"s dislike of NASCAR with a dislike of NASCAR models... it's NOT one and the same.You NASCAR builders need to keep on posting. Well-built models of ANY type are always welcome here... B)

Oh I know your feelings Harry....... B)

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Dave, you're making the same mistake Jamie is making,

A person doesn't have to like NASCAR in order to appreciate a well-done NASCAR model!

A perfect example: me! I couldn't care less about NASCAR. Let's just say I'm not a fan and leave it at that.

But my disinterest in NASCAR the "sport" has nothing to do with my interest in a well-built model of a NASCAR racer. In fact, your "Pirates of the Caribbean" model is a fantastic example of modeling skill and craftsmanship. I don't need to be a NASCAR fan to recognize that. Similarly, I couldn't care less about dirt track racing either, but again, that doesn't have anything to do with my appreciation for a well-done dirt track model!

Don't equate a person"s dislike of NASCAR with a dislike of NASCAR models... it's NOT one and the same.You NASCAR builders need to keep on posting. Well-built models of ANY type are always welcome here... B)

I agree.

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To sum it up.....

"Tell us Nascar fans and builders how you all REALLY Feel??"

DaveT

Oh, do you really want to? B) I don't think you do.

To say with Harry, as you know I ummm.........highly.....well you know. But some of the builds and builders are just incredible and the work and detail is amazing, for example, yours David and my buddy Chris Coller, just amazing.

But the so called "sport"....yeah... B)

I agree Harry :D

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Don't twist what is being said here about the wonderful "sport" of Nascar vs those who choose to build models associated with said "sport", Dave. You're taking what's been posted out of context and trying to make an issue of something that is not an issue at all.

But, keep one thing in mind. Alot of us who posted about the Nascar kit demise here were fans of the sport back before all the commercialization and big buck sponsorships. We supported the sport when mainstream America dubbed it a "Redneck Sport" and we supported Bill France and his vision and dream through thick and thin. What's become of the "sport" now is a travesty to put it mildly. Brian "Pad my fat ass with more money" France has done nothing but run what was once an awesome spectator sport into the ground. More and more empty seats at each race, less and less sponsorhip money available, more teams merging to stay running, let alone competitive...it all adds up to one end result. In the end, Nascar, as us old Diehards once knew it is gone forever and, in all actuality, will be lucky to survive another 5 years with the economy and economic state of the "Big 3" automakers in dire straights.

As for the modeling side of the issue, everyone builds what they like, for the most part. So not everyone enjoys seeing a Nascar build, so what? Not everyone loves ogling big rigs or street rods or even muscle cars, for that matter. But we all co-exist beautifully and there is room for ALL venues of modelers here and all are accepted with open arms and their talents and efforts are appreciated as well. As for many modelers getting away from the Nascar modeling side of the hobby, I fall heavily into that category. Alot has to do with the way the actual "sport" has gone. It has impacted my feeling as a whole and it affected my desire to build Nascar kits anymore. That doesn't mean I think any less of those who still do. On the contrary, I commend anyone who still has the passion to build the cookie cutters. I just simply no longer possess the passion for it that I once did so I decided to move on and I have no regrets. As was posted earlier, it was a great ride and I enjoyed it immensely.

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Harry - I'm not surprised you responded... I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS BASHING THE BUILDERS. FREAKIN' READ MY POST, MAN.

I was mad about the lack of respect for the NASCAR kits and how many people posted with LAME responses of how Revell did the right thing by dropping the line. Do I agree that NASCAR is money hungry and that they shouldn't be charging royalty fees on everything? Absolutely. But my response was based on these, and I quote:

"I heartily support Revell in their decision."

"I think Revell did the right thing...it sucks for the guys who still think todays NA$CAR is worthwhile, but enough is enough"

"Harry, I am with you 100%!!! Hopefully, this will free up some of Revell's money for other things. Hopefully, the new AMT will stay away from them too. Revell's anouncement is something that they should have done a few years ago."

"Anyway I'm glad Revell did what they did,good for them."

"Hurray for Revell and I hope the rest of the model companies follow their lead."

You would be mad too, if Revell or AMT did away with Chevelles, Triumphs or whatever...the uproar would be amazing. And then to have people say "good for Revell and whatever, you'd be a little bothered, I'm sure.

And yes, I do know there is a NASCAR section. Oh and.... "Obviously not everyone likes NASCAR models, but the fact is that there's a NASCAR section here... people who post and respond there are all obviously NASCAR modeling fans, wouldn't you think?" - Are you serious??? THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. You made no point with that comment.

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To reinforce Jamie here, Nascar has become a Cash cow, a victim of its own creation, a sinking ship if you will but the fact is Jamie like myself love the CARS..... even the jelly bean all the same looking, Tuner fast & furious cars as you all call the COT. Regardless of how Nascar destroys itself as a sport... I enjoy building scale replicas of the cars that race in it PERIOD...... And Revell was the source and is now done. I read all of the responses and besides Jamie and I, I really didnt see anyone that was unhappy the kits wont be available. Just blantant hatred for the sport. Even if builders like myself and Jamie and a few others were not bashed. it is offensive in a way......... Or atleast enough to make me wonder if you all hated seeing my superdetailed builds such as the pirates of the carribean pontiac that was on here and in the magazine... or any of my stock builds............ I cant help but think twice about posting anything nascar related on this board in the future....

To sum it up.....

"Tell us Nascar fans and builders how you all REALLY Feel??"

DaveT

THANK YOU, DAVE!!!!!!!

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Harry - I'm not surprised you responded... I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS BASHING THE BUILDERS. FREAKIN' READ MY POST, MAN.

I was mad about the lack of respect for the NASCAR kits and how many people posted with LAME responses of how Revell did the right thing by dropping the line. Do I agree that NASCAR is money hungry and that they shouldn't be charging royalty fees on everything? Absolutely. But my response was based on these, and I quote:

"I heartily support Revell in their decision."

"I think Revell did the right thing...it sucks for the guys who still think todays NA$CAR is worthwhile, but enough is enough"

"Harry, I am with you 100%!!! Hopefully, this will free up some of Revell's money for other things. Hopefully, the new AMT will stay away from them too. Revell's anouncement is something that they should have done a few years ago."

"Anyway I'm glad Revell did what they did,good for them."

"Hurray for Revell and I hope the rest of the model companies follow their lead."

You would be mad too, if Revell or AMT did away with Chevelles, Triumphs or whatever...the uproar would be amazing. And then to have people say "good for Revell and whatever, you'd be a little bothered, I'm sure.

And yes, I do know there is a NASCAR section. Oh and.... "Obviously not everyone likes NASCAR models, but the fact is that there's a NASCAR section here... people who post and respond there are all obviously NASCAR modeling fans, wouldn't you think?" - Are you serious??? THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. You made no point with that comment.

Ok... I e-read your post. You're right, you didn't say anything about NASCAR builders being bashed here. My mistake.

But I don't think what you see in people's responses is about a lack of respect for NASCAR kits, though... I think it's a dislike for what NASCAR has become (not the kits, the real thing!)

You also said this site isn't geared toward NASCAR builders, but it has a NASCAR section! (sorry to be so obvious there). If that's not geared toward NASCAR builders then what is???

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You also said this site isn't geared toward NASCAR builders, but it has a NASCAR section! (sorry to be so obvious there). If that's not geared toward NASCAR builders then what is???

It wasn't until recently that the NASCAR section was put up. And you know that this forum is not geared towards NASCAR - "geared" , i.e. the main focus. It's blatantly obvious that the main focus on this forum is stock replicas of cars from earlier periods. Which is fine with me, I have no issues with that. I have my home away from home that I post on. The cars on here are great, you've never seen me post anything bad on anything until today.

I'm done ranting. Enough is enough.

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It wasn't until recently that the NASCAR section was put up. And you know that this forum is not geared towards NASCAR - "geared" , i.e. the main focus. It's blatantly obvious that the main focus on this forum is stock replicas of cars from earlier periods. Which is fine with me, I have no issues with that. I have my home away from home that I post on. The cars on here are great, you've never seen me post anything bad on anything until today.

I'm done ranting. Enough is enough.

Yeah, the "main focus" here isn't necessarily NASCAR. But there really is no main focus...this site is open to all models. People post whatever they're interested in, and I've seen models of every conceivable type posted here. But NASCAR has it's own special section. Sure it was created recently, but the fact is, it's here! Doesn't that count for anything with you? Come on, man, there's a special NASCAR section here and you're still not happy?

Post your next NASCAR build and I'll bet you'd get plenty of good responses, even from people who might not necessarily be into NASCAR. This place is for your models as much as anyone's.

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Harry - I'm not surprised you responded... I NEVER SAID ANYONE WAS BASHING THE BUILDERS. FREAKIN' READ MY POST, MAN.

I was mad about the lack of respect for the NASCAR kits and how many people posted with LAME responses of how Revell did the right thing by dropping the line. Do I agree that NASCAR is money hungry and that they shouldn't be charging royalty fees on everything? Absolutely. But my response was based on these, and I quote:

"I heartily support Revell in their decision."

"I think Revell did the right thing...it sucks for the guys who still think todays NA$CAR is worthwhile, but enough is enough"

"Harry, I am with you 100%!!! Hopefully, this will free up some of Revell's money for other things. Hopefully, the new AMT will stay away from them too. Revell's anouncement is something that they should have done a few years ago."

"Anyway I'm glad Revell did what they did,good for them."

"Hurray for Revell and I hope the rest of the model companies follow their lead."

You would be mad too, if Revell or AMT did away with Chevelles, Triumphs or whatever...the uproar would be amazing. And then to have people say "good for Revell and whatever, you'd be a little bothered, I'm sure.

And yes, I do know there is a NASCAR section. Oh and.... "Obviously not everyone likes NASCAR models, but the fact is that there's a NASCAR section here... people who post and respond there are all obviously NASCAR modeling fans, wouldn't you think?" - Are you serious??? THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. You made no point with that comment.

Jamie,

You should have been here when the removal of "GOODYEAR" from the tires of just about every model kit on the market was the hot topic. No, this isn't the "Church of Nascar Modelers", but I do like to think that this set of forums is very much the "Universal Congregation of model car builders", in short, a sort of "Melting Pot" for model car and truck builders of all stripes, INCLUDING Nascar.

Art

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Yeah, the "main focus" here isn't necessarily NASCAR. But there really is no main focus...this site is open to all models. People post whatever they're interested in, and I've seen models of every conceivable type posted here. But NASCAR has it's own special section. Sure it was created recently, but the fact is, it's here! Doesn't that count for anything with you? Come on, man, there's a special NASCAR section here and you're still not happy?

Post your next NASCAR build and I'll bet you'd get plenty of good responses, even from people who might not necessarily be into NASCAR. This place is for your models as much as anyone's.

You just don't get it, do you??? WHO SAID I'M NOT HAPPY???? CAN YOU READ, DUDE??? After I said it was created recently & the fact that the site isn't geared to NASCARS, I said, "Which is fine with me, I have no issues with that". C'mon man, lay off the Kool-Aid. I just don't post there because I've posted many cars there a while ago with VERY LITTLE interest. Do I care? No. I don't need 350 replies to make me feel content. But I won't post if it's obvious no one is into it. No biggie.

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You just don't get it, do you??? WHO SAID I'M NOT HAPPY???? CAN YOU READ, DUDE??? After I said it was created recently & the fact that the site isn't geared to NASCARS, I said, "Which is fine with me, I have no issues with that". C'mon man, lay off the Kool-Aid. I just don't post there because I've posted many cars there a while ago with VERY LITTLE interest. Do I care? No. I don't need 350 replies to make me feel content. But I won't post if it's obvious no one is into it. No biggie.

I'm not understanding something here Jamie. You are contradicting yourself with your posts. You sit here and rant about people not replying to your work posted here and then state you don't need 350 people replying to your posts. You complain about "VERY LITTLE" interest in your cars posted and yet you go through the trouble of making sure you pat Dave on the back with a huge "THANK YOU DAVE" when he tries to twist what was being posted here and turning it into an "Us against Them" battle between Nascar modelers and those who choose to build something else. Obviously it is "a biggie" to you because you and your buddies aren't garnering the pats on the backs you think you deserve.

We've all posted work that hasn't garnered a bunch of response, both here and elsewhere. I remember not too many moons ago posting work on my Nascar builds on Nascar SPECIFIC forums that didn't get one single reply. You didn't see me ranting about people not replying to my work. I just went on and continued building to MY content, not everyone else's. Bottom line is this: This forum is plenty big enough for everyone. If someone isn't interested in Nascar, chances are they won't frequent that section of this forum, hence a lack of replies. As I said before, stop trying to make issues out of non issues here. This is just another reason I got away from building Nascar. Just way too many egos and childish responses when people don't get their own way or their work isn't praised to the heavens of Allah. :D

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I'm not understanding something here Jamie. You are contradicting yourself with your posts. You sit here and rant about people not replying to your work posted here and then state you don't need 350 people replying to your posts. You complain about "VERY LITTLE" interest in your cars posted and yet you go through the trouble of making sure you pat Dave on the back with a huge "THANK YOU DAVE" when he tries to twist what was being posted here and turning it into an "Us against Them" battle between Nascar modelers and those who choose to build something else. Obviously it is "a biggie" to you because you and your buddies aren't garnering the pats on the backs you think you deserve.

We've all posted work that hasn't garnered a bunch of response, both here and elsewhere. I remember not too many moons ago posting work on my Nascar builds on Nascar SPECIFIC forums that didn't get one single reply. You didn't see me ranting about people not replying to my work. I just went on and continued building to MY content, not everyone else's. Bottom line is this: This forum is plenty big enough for everyone. If someone isn't interested in Nascar, chances are they won't frequent that section of this forum, hence a lack of replies. As I said before, stop trying to make issues out of non issues here. This is just another reason I got away from building Nascar. Just way too many egos and childish responses when people don't get their own way or their work isn't praised to the heavens of Allah. :D

Comment removed...... not worth fighting about this...........

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I'm not understanding something here Jamie. You are contradicting yourself with your posts. You sit here and rant about people not replying to your work posted here and then state you don't need 350 people replying to your posts. You complain about "VERY LITTLE" interest in your cars posted and yet you go through the trouble of making sure you pat Dave on the back with a huge "THANK YOU DAVE" when he tries to twist what was being posted here and turning it into an "Us against Them" battle between Nascar modelers and those who choose to build something else. Obviously it is "a biggie" to you because you and your buddies aren't garnering the pats on the backs you think you deserve.

We've all posted work that hasn't garnered a bunch of response, both here and elsewhere. I remember not too many moons ago posting work on my Nascar builds on Nascar SPECIFIC forums that didn't get one single reply. You didn't see me ranting about people not replying to my work. I just went on and continued building to MY content, not everyone else's. Bottom line is this: This forum is plenty big enough for everyone. If someone isn't interested in Nascar, chances are they won't frequent that section of this forum, hence a lack of replies. As I said before, stop trying to make issues out of non issues here. This is just another reason I got away from building Nascar. Just way too many egos and childish responses when people don't get their own way or their work isn't praised to the heavens of Allah. :D

"Bri" - (the same Brian that was building a Wrangler Tbird on another board who was crying that there were no replies to his thread?)

I'm "ranting" about people not responding to my posts??? I WISH people would read sometimes.... Man, I said - "that I just don't post there because I've posted many cars there a while ago with VERY LITTLE interest. Do I care? No." I guess that's ranting. :lol: It's not a big deal to me. Would I like SOME feedback on my builds? Sure, who doesn't? But do I need my thread to blow up in order for me to be satisfied? Not at all. Oh - and sorry for thanking Dave. My bad. Should I have said, "piss off Dave"?

Go put a resin nose on a body.

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I read every message posted in this thread and no one seemed to mentioned what I believe is the main reason that Revell is getting out of the NASCAR kit business ...

It's because NASCAR kits aren't selling. Period.

Sure, licensing is an factor, no doubt, but, you can bet that if the kits sold as well as they once did, Revell would find the money somewhere to purchase all the licenses it needed to bring a COT kit to the market.

However, there's simply no way that such a kit would be a money-maker in the current climate. It has been suggested on other forums that Revell should simply issue its NASCAR kits in generic form without decals to get around the licensing issues, but that idea is a complete non-starter. The average consumer buys a NASCAR kit because he or she wants to build a model of Jimmy Johnson's or Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s race car, not because he or she needs a Monte Carlo which to apply a set of aftermarket decals. Without a proper decal sheet, a NASCAR model is pretty much worthless to people like that.

Interest in NASCAR models these days seems to be at an absolute nadir (and I'm talking about the newer stuff, not kits like those of pre-1980s car that the Model King recently had reissued.) Don't believe me? Check out what the NASCAR kits are selling for the next time you're at a swap meet. Vendors are having a hard time moving them even at giveaway prices. Remember the days when discontinued Monogram NASCAR kits, especially those of beer- and tobacco-sponsored cars, used to sell for $50, $50 and up? Those days would seem to be long over.

There are several factors I think helped all but kill interest in NASCAR modeling. Revell itself, I think, definitely had a hand in it. In the 1990s, the company pumped out more kits than anyone possibly wanted, and of some real loser subjects, too. A show of hands ... was anyone really clamoring for models of Michael Waltrip's spotted-dog T-bird or Jerry Nadeau's Woody Woodpecker Monte Carlo, cars that ran in only one race each, especially when those were "Limited Edition" kits priced several dollars higher than other NASCAR models? Eventually, the market just seemed to buckle under its own weight.

I also tend to think a lot of folks quit buying NASCAR kits because the newer cars didn't interest them, and because, as several have stated here, they had already purchased enough of the older kits to last them their entire lives.

Another factor, I believe, was, let's be honest here, aside from the decals and a few very minor differences, kits of modern NASCAR race cars are pretty much all the same. I think a lot of modelers finally got tired of essentially building the same kit over and over again, or realized they really didn't need dozens of different variants of the same basic kit taking up their storage space.

Finally, I think diecasts definitely did a lot of damage. Face it, if all you want is a nice-looking replica of Tony's or Dale Jr.'s car for your shelf, it's a ton easier to simply take one out of the box than it is to build one from a plastic kit ... especially with cars that have complex, multi-color paint schemes. Some of the diecast NASCAR models are really nice, too, a lot nicer than what a modeler of limited skills (like me) could ever build.

Anyways, that's my .02 and worth every cent, no doubt! :D

All very good points, I have to say... those aren't the reason for my tirade. But yes, good points indeed.

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You know what bugs the hell out of me.....This tread is supposed to be about REVELL DROPPING THE NASCAR KITS BECAUSE OF LICENSING ISSUES.....Not geting your shorts up in a pinch about people's opinions to why they began to dislike what NASCAR has become. If they choose to drop the line....Well like I had said in earlier posts, I FEEL FOR THOSE WHO BUILD NASCAR because it would be like taking HotRods away from me.

This tread has NOTHING to do about bashing any ones style of building, posting builds, posting replies, or how much or how little recognition any one gets. I have been in numorous magazines but I know that I cant please everyones styles and I appreciate the comments I get weather its 0 or 1,000,000

As for NASCAR I have one opinion to what they have become(And to make this clear so that I dont get misunderstood) THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MODEL CAR BUILDERS.....I dropped watching NASCAR back in the late 70's when it started to change from an automotive industry sport to a common car chassis with a shell on its back like a turtle. They took a sport that I used to love to watch when an actual Dodge product would win a race, or a Chevy, or a Ford.... NOT A SHELL.

As for NASCAR kit sales....they have been selling for decades without losing a beat.....but now it becomes the almighty dollar that takes first prioity....not the image, not the consumer, and certainly not the futur of a great hobby.I f the two companies could not come to a financial agreement.....we cant do anything about it but hope that AMT can continue the line.

Stop bickering at each other and get building and post.

This is what I thought this site was for...... TO HAVE FUN

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"Bri" - (the same Brian that was building a Wrangler Tbird on another board who was crying that there were no replies to his thread?)

I'm "ranting" about people not responding to my posts??? I WISH people would read sometimes.... Man, I said - "that I just don't post there because I've posted many cars there a while ago with VERY LITTLE interest. Do I care? No." I guess that's ranting. :angry: It's not a big deal to me. Would I like SOME feedback on my builds? Sure, who doesn't? But do I need my thread to blow up in order for me to be satisfied? Not at all. Oh - and sorry for thanking Dave. My bad. Should I have said, "piss off Dave"?

Go put a resin nose on a body.

Just for clarification and nothing else...I "cried" about the lack of response to questions I was asking about specific areas of the 1:1 car, nothing more.

As for the final comment, what can you say to a response like that? Again, a very good example of why there are "Ignore" features on this board that are put to use. Add another name to my list. :rolleyes::lol:

And to everyone else that matters, I apologize for contributing to the thread getting off track. I just hate it when things that are said are twisted and taken out of context to try to make something out of nothing, which is exactly what happened to this thread. We went from a thread discussing Revell's dropping of their Nascar kits to this.

At the end of the day, as I said before, with Revell making this choice, maybe that will open the door for new tools and new subjects to be desitgned and marketed. Time will tell. I agree with the last post....Let's just go build something!

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Just for clarification and nothing else...I "cried" about the lack of response to questions I was asking about specific areas of the 1:1 car, nothing more.

As for the final comment, what can you say to a response like that? Again, a very good example of why there are "Ignore" features on this board that are put to use. Add another name to my list. :angry::rolleyes:

And to everyone else that matters, I apologize for contributing to the thread getting off track. I just hate it when things that are said are twisted and taken out of context to try to make something out of nothing, which is exactly what happened to this thread. We went from a thread discussing Revell's dropping of their Nascar kits to this.

At the end of the day, as I said before, with Revell making this choice, maybe that will open the door for new tools and new subjects to be desitgned and marketed. Time will tell. I agree with the last post....Let's just go build something!

I seem to remember a loooong winded post about all the stuff you did to the body/chassis and then you posted one blurry pic of the body in primer. That's when you had a melt down about people not posting comments in your threads. It's also pretty much why you've been run off most of the NASCAR modeling forums. It's probably the reason you have such a distaste for NASCAR and NASCAR modeling.... why don't you take a break from stirring the pot Bri, the modeling commumity could use it.

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