Well it’s finally announced.?

[Rodent]

59 minutes ago, Danno said:

but prohibiting you from re-charging it

We have been asked to not do anything that uses excessive amounts of power from 4-9 PM. Laundry, dishwasher, unnecessary lights, etc. And yes, charging cars. The folks I know that own EVs and PHEVs are already charging on off-peak hours anyway because the power is cheapest then. Saying that Californians can't charge their "mandated" electric cars and leaving out the 4-9 PM part is borderline fake news.

 

[1972coronet]

1 hour ago, Rodent said:

We have been asked to not do anything that uses excessive amounts of power from 4-9 PM. Laundry, dishwasher, unnecessary lights, etc. And yes, charging cars. The folks I know that own EVs and PHEVs are already charging on off-peak hours anyway because the power is cheapest then. Saying that Californians can't charge their "mandated" electric cars and leaving out the 4-9 PM part is borderline fake news.

 

I have noticed more and more Tesla around over the last +/- five years; a handful of Volts and Leafs [sic] as well. The Tesla "Drinking Posts" (as I call them) are always brimming with vehicles being recharged; and, in all fairness, I typically see them between 10:00 - 15:00, and often at a fuel station near Pechanga Casino (Pechanga Parkway/Pala Road & SR 79-S/Temecula Expressway).

The issue is going to be, that by 2035, when the de facto compulsory decision will be to "go electric" or take a literal hike. Suddenly, the already overloaded grid is going to be taxed even more (no pun intended); those "Flex Alerts" hours will expand to, say, the hours between 08:00 - 22:00. Fourteen delightful hours of "Don't cook, don't turn on any lighting, don't turn on the A/C-Heater -- depending upon the season --, don't wash clothing nor dishes, etc., etc."
Basically, don't attempt to live a normal life, in order for those +/- 85,000$ electric vehicles to get charged up, and that you Proletarians can walk, bike, or take (unreliable) public transportation to work, etc.

Looks like a certain "braintrust" will have to fire up the disused nuclear powerplants in order to supplant the power grid...
... and hope for little to no seismic activities that'll be akin to Fukushima 2011.  

[Ace-Garageguy]

Britain's winter energy cost to citizens is now predicted to be SIX TIMES what it was just earlier this year.

Yeah, go get that electric car when in reality you have to choose between heating and eating.

[Richard Bartrop]

9 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Britain's winter energy cost to citizens is now predicted to be SIX TIMES what it was just earlier this year.

Yeah, go get that electric car when in reality you have to choose between heating and eating.

But since gasoline is free, filling the tank isn't a choice you have to make, or course.

[Ace-Garageguy]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:26 PM, Rodent said:

 ...Saying that Californians can't charge their "mandated" electric cars and leaving out the 4-9 PM part is borderline fake news.

A quick overview of California's energy policy, including proposed plants under review for future construction, those few already under construction, and the recent energy bill passed into law, indicate Cali is in no way prepared, nor will it be, to cope with the coming mandated-electric-vehicle recharging loads.

https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/06/california-power-plant-deal/

Edited September 11, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[Ace-Garageguy]

3 minutes ago, Richard Bartrop said:

But since gasoline is free, filling the tank isn't a choice you have to make, or course.

Straw man much?

Before you can charge an electric vehicle, you have to BUY an electric vehicle. See how that works?

Edited September 11, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[Richard Bartrop]

24 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Straw man much?

Before you can charge an electric vehicle, you have to BUY an electric vehicle. See how that works?

Which if any, makes your argument even more irrelevant.

While we're at it, what to you suppose is going to be happening to fuel prices?

Edited September 11, 2022 by Richard Bartrop

[Ace-Garageguy]

9 minutes ago, Richard Bartrop said:

Which if any, makes your argument even more irrelevant.

Logic by the numbers:

1) The EU and Britain are pushing for people to buy electric vehicles.

2) Energy and food costs are skyrocketing, so there's a very real chance people will have to choose between food and heating their homes.

3) That leaves them no money to purchase electric vehicles.

4) The cost of fuel for existing ICE vehicles wasn't even a part of my original assertion, and is totally irrelevant.

EDIT: 5) BUT, as you chose to try to make it a part of the discussion here, if a household can't afford fuel for an existing ICE vehicle, it sure as hello can't afford to buy a new EV.

Edited September 11, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[Richard Bartrop]

2 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

Logic by the numbers:

1) The EU and Britain are pushing for people to buy electric vehicles.

2) Energy and food costs are skyrocketing, so there's a very real chance people will have to choose between food and heating their homes.

3) That leaves them no money to purchase electric vehicles.

4) The cost of fuel for existing ICE vehicles wasn't even a part of my original assertion, and is totally irrelevant.

5) Energy costs are going to apply just as much to IC vehicles, so if your argument is electic vs IC, it's highly relevant.

[Ace-Garageguy]

12 minutes ago, Richard Bartrop said:

5) Energy costs are going to apply just as much to IC vehicles, so if your argument is electic vs IC, it's highly relevant.

You seem to have failed to grasp the meaning of my original assertion, so there's not anything I can say to refute an argument to something that wasn't part of my assertion.

Try thinking it through again, using precision.

Edited September 11, 2022 by Ace-Garageguy

[1972coronet]

Many of the out-of-touch celebrities (redundant on my part) who're making asinine statements such as, "I own an electric vehicle, so I don't care if gas [ no mention of the costlier diesel fuel ] is ten dollars a gallon!".
Well, that's good for you, virtue signalling twit. Just wait until the Per-Miles-Travelled taxes hit! Since the loss of revenue sources from gasoline and, to a greater extent, diesel, will disappear almost entirely, then new taxes will have to be implemented to make up for losses of said revenues. 

I'm also terribly worried about the looming vehicle wrecks and crashes of those E.V.'s. Talk about deadly explosions and gaseous vapour fires to be extinguished! Surely, those "teething problems" will subside with time, but still present a real danger in the meantime.

[Ace-Garageguy]

 

[Oldcarfan27]

5 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

 

Thanks Bill. Good information. 

Unfortunately...

Did I hear things I didn't like? Yes I did.

Did I hear things I already knew? Yes I did.

Do I think there needs to be a change in focus?  ****, YES I DO!!!!

Maybe the Amish were right all along?

 

[Sandboarder]

3 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said:

Maybe the Amish were right all along?

 

I like your point

 

[Richard Bartrop]

20 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said:

You seem to have failed to grasp the meaning of my original assertion, so there's not anything I can say to refute an argument to something that wasn't part of my assertion.

Try thinking it through again, using precision.

That's okay.  Anyone who tries to pass off ad hominem attacks as logic probably shouldn't presume to lecture anyone on the subject, but hey, you go have your fun.

[Ace-Garageguy]

6 minutes ago, Richard Bartrop said:

That's okay.  Anyone who tries to pass off ad hominem attacks as logic probably shouldn't presume to lecture anyone on the subject, but hey, you go have your fun.

Ad hominum: adjective

1. Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument.
2. Appealing to the emotions rather than to logic or reason.
3. Of or relating to ad hominem.

[Plowboy]

6 hours ago, Oldcarfan27 said:

Maybe the Amish were right all along?

 

The Amish contribute more to pollution than anyone. They burn wood, trash, wool from sheep etc. You name it. They burn it. Then there's their outhouses too. Nasty people. I had them for a neighbor. They're nothing like what people think. I'm glad they moved!