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The 68 Charger is waiting for paint to cure and other paint issues to get sorted so I thought I would I would get back to playing with street rods

A number of years ago (40+) I did a build up of an AMT 32 Tudor. It was chopped and had a XKE Jag front and rear end fitted with a 428 Cobra/C6 motor and trans. Lots of added details with things like scratch build headers, widened wire wheels etc. The paint was a custom mix Humbrol metallic copper/red enamel with metallic blue chassis and running gear that matched the blue window tint - a thanks to @tim boyd for this tip all those years ago - with a clear coat that was colour sanded and polished - all cutting edge way back then.

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So the plan is to replicate this model with more modern running gear - the XKE running gear was at the forefront 40+ years ago. Model will be Revell 32 Tudor with the top whacked about 3" and will have full fenders. The chassis and running gear will be from the AMT 32 Phantom Vickie. This will form a "modern" take on this geriatric build

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To start off I checked that the Amt chassis will fit between the Revell body and guards. Looks OK even without the chassis reveal that the Revell chassis has and the AMT does not. The chassis rails will need to be body colour in this build as the AMT has incorrect separate chassis and fenders.

I have started off with chassis prep so more to come

Thanks for looking

 

 

 

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Nice 32 looks like it's held up pretty well for +40 years. I'm looking forward to this replica of a cool 32 todor.

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Been working on the Vickie chassis cleaning it up and filling lots of depressions in the side rails. While the putty hardens I took the axe to the body. A 3 1/2" chop - not too radical

Below is the sequence

First lay out cut lines with masking tape cut to 3.5mm ensuring that you cut in the straightest sections on the pillars and rear of body. With 3 1/2 chop I am not too worried about the rear window - it will be tall enough. Note the slight downward slope at the C pillar, this is to get a straight section of the back window and the rear widows

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Next up I mark the edges of the tape with a pencil or a marking pen to define the cut lines

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The next step is to remove the tape and cut between the lines. It is easiest to remove the top section first with a sharp razor saw. Mine is fairly new

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Now we cut off remove the lower sections and check how it looks

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The A pillar is misaligned as I expected as it slopes back. In this chop as it is not to severe I will lay the A pillar back a bit by making a cut at the top of the door and spreading out the top of the pillar to align with the door gap. I will clean up the A pillar after glue has set. I had to sand down the B pillar cuts a wee bit and I have a small gap in the C pillar that I will fill. The tape keeps it in alignment while the glue set up. The B pillars get glued first and the door gaps are lined up. Next the C pillars are glued taking note that the rear window lines up. Next is the A pillars and then an overall check to make sure it all lines up. If you are careful and take your time with the saw there is very little filling. I will go over the joins with CA when the Tamiya thin glue has dried to strengthen the joins.

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Thanks for looking

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Been working on cleaning up the chassis, engine and drive train. I am impressed with the detail of the Vicky - AMT really pulled one out of the hat for this model. No pix for this build sequence sorry

Also partially assembled the Vicky chassis to check that the wheelbase is the same for the sedan. I checked it against a Revell roadster that I built a long time ago and it looks to be the same - whew!!

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And to check that the wheel centers are centered in the guards

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I took the 32 Sedan out that I built years ago to take a pix of the underside of the car to show off the XKE front and rear ends

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Thanks for looking

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That's nice to know that the dimensions are the same. That amt chassis is really nice though (looks like the go to chassis for a modern duece).

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9 hours ago, FoMoCo66 said:

That's nice to know that the dimensions are the same. That amt chassis is really nice though (looks like the go to chassis for a modern duece).

I agree, that was my exact thoughts going into this project

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You can get a proper IRS from shapeways. May need a little mod to fit under there, But nothing You can't handle I'm sure. The Tudor Sedan is by far my favorite body style of all Deuces. So I'll be following this one. 

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15 hours ago, mrm said:

The Tudor Sedan is by far my favorite body style of all Deuces

Mine too.

I have been looking at an IRS and have my eye on one in Cults3d which is quite extreme but is based around the XKE rear. The Vickie front end is very similar to the XKE front too. There are a couple of other kits that have them and I may dig one out from the pile to have a look see.

I have been working on the chassis and making a new floorboard to marry up the sedan interior to the Vickie chassis. Nothing to hard and will post pix when I can

 

 

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4 hours ago, bill-e-boy said:

Mine too.

I have been looking at an IRS and have my eye on one in Cults3d which is quite extreme but is based around the XKE rear. The Vickie front end is very similar to the XKE front too. There are a couple of other kits that have them and I may dig one out from the pile to have a look see.

I have been working on the chassis and making a new floorboard to marry up the sedan interior to the Vickie chassis. Nothing to hard and will post pix when I can

 

 

To this day, probably the best fully independent hot rod chassis is the one in the Touring, which is almost oldies I am. It blows my mind that over the years no manufacturer ever made a decent fully independent hot rod chassis like this. And no, the Boyd's Smoothster and Eldorod don't count with their stock C4 Corvette rears.

 

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And here is that same IRS from the T Touring adopted to the AMT Phantom Vicky frame. 

 

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The Revell 27T Touring is the same chassis as found in the Lil John 26 Tudor and panel delivery and the dire 34 Coupe and is one of the best independent chassis about IMO too. I used the chassis under my 29 Pickup in the Tim Boyd tribute build which was stretched to suit the longer wheel base. Thanks MRM for jogging my memory as I may just have one floating about squirrelled away for such a project. It would be perfect for this build as I am not happy with the rear end from the Vickie.

From memory the Buttera 26T front and rear were based on the XKE configuration but he milled his own components from ally.

Buttera chassis shot from Tim Boyd tribute build

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I have been working on the floorboards to cover up the hideous looking under side of the Tudor interior. I made up the main part from some 0.75mm card stock that I bent to conform to the Vickie chassis using the Vickie unit as a template

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I have also started work on the body - using Tamiya UV cure filler. We will see if it stands up as a couple of mates have been using it and they say it is good

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 Thanks for looking

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Got the floorboard done. Follows shape of Vickie unit

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Time for a mock up with body and fenders and floorboard and Sedan interior

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The rear shot is a bit hazy sorry. Looks like a bit of work needed to get rid of the ugly

I intend to widen the fenders and maybe make up a rolled pan for back of the body

Thanks for looking

 

 

 

 

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Bill...glad to see this one progressing.  And to see your original from back in the day, and just how contemporary and just plain cool that that it remains.   

Glad to see you are looking at different rear end alternatives as the AMT Ertl Phantom Vickie rear end would not work in 1/1 scale...there's no upper links to locate the rear axle along with the lowers, which I always felt was the one big error of an otherwie very nice kit (and really cool set of frame crossmembers!).  

Will be watching this bad-boy come together...best of luck with it!  Cheers...TIM 

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Thanks Tim. I know I did a lot of research in the hot rod mags I had available to me at the time. Kugel was just starting out and was using up a lot of Jag stuff with fabricated arms and stuff and I would say that this was the biggest influence.  

Mock up time to check major fitment

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Looking at the rear 3/4 view the tire stick out too far. Might have been OK in 70's but not these days. I checked the Lil John rear end and it is a lot narrower than the Vickie rear end. I am liking the look of the modern big tires. For a comparison I will mock up the sedan wheel and tire set next to see how that looks but if I stay with the Vickie set I will need to narrow and tub the rear end.

Thanks for looking

 

 

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7 minutes ago, bill-e-boy said:

Thanks Tim. I know I did a lot of research in the hot rod mags I had available to me at the time. Kugel was just starting out and was using up a lot of Jag stuff with fabricated arms and stuff and I would say that this was the biggest influence.  

Mock up time to check major fitment

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Looking at the rear 3/4 view the tire stick out too far. Might have been OK in 70's but not these days. I checked the Lil John rear end and it is a lot narrower than the Vickie rear end. I am liking the look of the modern big tires. For a comparison I will mock up the sedan wheel and tire set next to see how that looks but if I stay with the Vickie set I will need to narrow and tub the rear end.

Thanks for looking

 

 

I say tub it, what the heck it will look better in the long run. By the way this thing is looking killer! Nice job. B)

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Put it in the Build off thread!

Now about those tires and the rear end...

If you take the rear portion of the '32 frame in the recent Revell '29/'30 kits and cut it off right where it has been narrowed and put it in your Vicky frame, you will have a frame that will allow you to slightly widen the rear fenders by adding the insides from a second set (from any of the Revell 32s) and fit those wheels and tires. I just used the entire frame from the '29 kit and made my own cross members. Or you can pinch the Vicky frame same way, using the rear portions from the original kit's frame. Or take the '29 frame and insert the Vicky cross members. Either way, you will need to widen those rear fenders or get a smaller tire. 

You can see how it was done on here:

 

 

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34 minutes ago, mrm said:

Now about those tires and the rear end...

If you take the rear portion of the '32 frame in the recent Revell '29/'30 kits and cut it off right where it has been narrowed and put it in your Vicky frame, you will have a frame that will allow you to slightly widen the rear fenders by adding the insides from a second set (from any of the Revell 32s) and fit those wheels and tires. I just used the entire frame from the '29 kit and made my own cross members. Or you can pinch the Vicky frame same way, using the rear portions from the original kit's frame. Or take the '29 frame and insert the Vicky cross members. Either way, you will need to widen those rear fenders or get a smaller tire. 

You can see how it was done on here:

Thanks MRM - you are a champion. I will look over the post as it looks like it covers all of the info I need

I want the Vickie frame as this is most probably the best 32 frame around. I will look at the 29 hiboy frame but will most probably scratch the narrowed section as I want all of the 29 Hiboy frames that I have for future builds. And the kits cost an arm and a left testicle here in NZ so I don't go robbing too many kits as a rule. May look at the 29 channeled frame as these end up in the parts bin. 

Cheers

Bill

 

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My - look what happens when you dont go into the forum for a few days. And yup with the new release of the 32 Sedan bound to happen 

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Small update before I move over to the 32 Sedan thread

A tubbing we will go.......

All marked up for the big slice job

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For the narrowed rear chassis rails I have marked out cut out some new rails that have the rear section raised so that I can deal with the ugly rear end view later

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 At the moment the rail have been completely shaped to fit I will determine placement on the chassis after the tubbing has been done.

Thanks for looking

 

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