yes, indypete, you got the right stuff. been railroadig for the past 20 years, scratchbuilt a few lcomotives from brass. just got back into the cars a few months ago. i've been thinking about hand forming a body, i have to make a small scale set of hammers and try it. i did a gremlin body. i used the frankie schnieder body to get the radius and bends from the roof. the sides are slab. dont look bad though. got it primed, waiting for paint